lets assume, for the sake of argument, that a god does exist... why would he do anything? why make the universe? why create life? gratification and the search for love are not valid answers, as they are human traits. really though, i'm curious. let's assume that a god that is all powerful and all knowing has to have a reason to do things, because any being that is all knowing would hopefully not be burdened by the weight of subjective irrationality, and that he actually would have a reason to act. what would that reason be? if he is the 'alpha and omega', this would imply that he serves no higher power, meaning that his 'ideas' and motives come from within himself only. how are his thoughts processed? what is he made out of? if these questions are unanswerable because he 'exists' in a different level of existence, couldnt it also be said that such a level may not be stable? could god's existence be jeopardized? further, the entire universe and everything that exists is part of him, so does he exist inside himself? there are two ways for that to make sense: 1. god himself is a matryoshka doll. 2. the universe is god's body and everything we know is just body parts. (i'll let you guess what a black hole is) also, god made cats. cats have problems getting trained to use a litter box. is this sin? no, its their nature, its a negatively perceived aspect of their design. where is the line drawn with humans? how will god actually judge us? what about humans that can be regarded as sin is not considerable to be a negative aspect of our design? also, why put so much work into something, that there must be such a great reason for doing to begin with, if the only thing you provide to your offspring that would assist them in acknowledging all your hard work is questionable at best? ps: i have no idea what the truth about god is, just hypotheticals here
Well, this is just like children can ask something and then ask "why" until the answering person doesn't know any more. There has to be either an infinite regression of answers to the why question, or there needs to be an end point which is completely arbitrary (or there could be several arbitrary end points). This is true regardless of there being a god or not. If we then assume the existence of God, and that that God is the end-all-be-all in all such questions, the prime mover and so on. Then that God's motives must either be completely arbitrary, or they must be based on something else (which I believe means that that something is greater and more powerful than God, which makes little sense with our definition of God). Thus, God's motives must be arbitrary, taken from thin air, made up, or similar.
Why? In fact, I think this the sole reason that we were created. The strange thing about love is that for there to be a mutually loving relationship, both parties must have the free will to love or reject the other. Otherwise, it is merely bondage. So lets say that an all powerful entity is out there who knows everything. Would that entity not get bored? But what if.......what if that entity had the power to relinquish some of his power in the form of free will? Then things might get interesting..... The key to God is love, because God is love. Why do you think that love is a human trait? Is it so forieng to that entity which created us? Rubbish, the creation is merely a reflfection of the creator, this applies to things you have created as well. It shows what interests you and your intelligence etc. It is like holding up a mirror, and love is what makes us tick.
I was just about to start a thread very similar. I'll see how this goes. My thread was a ltille less complicated. Only, Why did God create Man? You are claiming because he was lonely and needed love beyond the angels already in existance, true? I've heard stories we were created because God wants to prove something to satan. What that is, I'm not sure.
God's plan was for Jesus to come as a "man" and die for the sins of the world. Why couldn't Jesus have come as an angel and died for the sinning angels? Why did God instead have to create the human race, the majority of whom would go through hell on earth, then die, only to be resurrected, judged and then annihilated or "burned," either forever, or "as long as they deserve"? In order for Jesus to come in the form of an angel, to die for the sins of the evil angels, angels would have to be capable of dying. Do Angels Die? Jesus gives the answer Himself in Luke 20:36, when the Sadducees were telling Jesus the story of the woman who married a man who subsequently died. She then married each of his six brothers, one after another, as each of the brothers died. The Sadducees asked Jesus whose wife she would be in heaven. This is Jesus' response, in His own words: "The children of this world marry and are given in marriage, but they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage; "Neither can they die any more; for they are equal unto the angels. . ." Luke 20:36. Jesus said it Himself. Angels don't die! Notice that Jesus did not say, "Good angels don't die." He said, "Angels (in general) don't die." If angels don't die then Jesus could NOT have come as an angel to die for the sins of the evil angels. This created a major problem in the thinking of the righteous angels. Since sin entered the universe when Satan sinned, how could sin ever be eliminated from the universe if angels don't die? A question we must ourselves ponder, is: If angels don't die, as Jesus Himself has told us, then how can the evil angels be "destroyed" from the earth and from the universe at the end? And if they cannot be destroyed, then sin will remain in the universe for eternity! Yet Jesus came to "do away with sin!" John 1:29. http://goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/humans.htm
Recognizing the complete sovereignty and holiness of God, we are amazed that He would take man and crown him with glory and honor (Psalm 8:5) and that He would condescend to call us friends (John 15:14-15). Why did God create us? God created us for His pleasure and so that we, as His creation, would have the pleasure of knowing Him. http://www.gotquestions.org/why-did-God-create-us.html Another reason. For his pleasure.
That raises two questions. Why does he desire to create us? And why does he have desires (or why does he have to act on his desires)?
“I have created the jinn and humankind only for My worship.” (Quran 51:56) Thus, the essential purpose for which humankind was created is the worship of God. However, the Almighty is not in need of human worship. He did not create human beings out of a need on His part. If not a single human worshipped God, it would not diminish His glory in any way, and if all of humankind worshipped Him, it would not increase His glory in any way. God is perfect. He alone exists without any needs. All created beings have needs. Consequently, it is humankind that needs to worship God. http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/336/ The Islam reason?
I don't know. By Islam, he wanted us to worship him. By Judaism, he wanted us to provide kindness by seeking truth. I don't know why he has desires. Anyone?
The desires of the god evangelical Christians believe in must be akin to the desires of a little boy who pulls the legs off spiders for fun. Being omniscient, he created mankind in the full knowledge that for one reason or another, most of us would be doomed to eternal torture. He was fully aware of the choices we would make, and all about the fall of man etc, prior to deciding whether to create mankind in the first place, yet he created us anyway. To use an analogy, would you breed 10 dogs if you knew that 9 of them would spend their lives being tortured, just so you could have one pet dog? Dusty
Hell exists, whether it be on earth or in the next life. It is the dark side of love, when love is rejected or is lost for whatever reason. Is it better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all? I guess it depends on who you ask.
We're asking why he has desires, not whether or not his desires resemble ours. We're trying to make sense of the source of whys.
love, pleasure, glory, and all other emotional concepts are chemically controlled mechanisms that provide incentive for survival and reproduction. god doesn't need survival or reproduction, therefore he doesn't need emotions. that, and an emotional god is an irrational god, which would be a god that doesn't exist. let's try to refrain from citing specific sources, and just approach god from an objective standpoint. what reason (rationally explainable) does god have for creating anything at all? glory and worship and love aren't reasons, they are incentives which god doesn't need, and even if he did, our existence would be pointless if it were so. it also wouldnt explain why 99.99999% of species arent even capable of imagining a god, or why 99% of the existence of life on earth has been without humans. either god is a patient guy, or evolution is a slow process
From the very brief research I did and from all the respondants so far, glory, worship, love, truth, or kindness is the only reasons found. Except for 1 stroy I saw where it was to wipe sin out as angels(satan) is an entity that can't die, so God created man to die and jesus to wipe sin and end satan. Something along those lines.
Thats just it, your problem youll never get past the problem if you keeping separating 'him' from us. There is no separation, our desire is to to live thrive and survive that we may create perfect knowledge. Therefore that is the only desire 'he' can have.
well if that's why he created us, as his play things, where is he? maybe got tired of his toys and moved on? .
We do not have children for pleasure. Pleasure is the pleasant by product that encourages us to keep trying. Therefore 'his' goal in 'creating' us had nothing to do with that. And your trying to separate a 'him' from us, thats foolish, and its the reason you have no answers.
Rather, is it better to have loved for a lifetime then be tortured for eternity, as opposed to having never existed at all? Well if you had never existed, you wouldn't know any better. Would you breed a pet dog if you knew it would enjoy the first year of it's life, then be tortured for the next 10 years? Dusty
These cult followers talk nothing but unreason to us. yet they expect respect, for no other reason than that their religion is so widespread and their belief is so fervent.
I'm not saying there is or is not a separation between God and us, nor do I make a statement about the separation in question. Apparently, God has desires. If they come from God, then we have to ask where God got the desire to endow himself with desire, which lead to an infinite regression. If something other than God gave him the desire, then what is this thing that has God in a mindlock? And why don't we call that God istead? Our desires come from somewhere. Some say God, some say something else. But where does God get his from? Infinite regression is a valid answer, but an unsatisfying one. The other option is that there is a desire which has no basis, which is the very definition of an arbitrary desire.
