If it is for pleasure, his or ours? If I have a child and even if he turns out to be a bad apple, i could and never would terminate him to infinity in a fire pit. Would, could you? And the majority of his pleasure creation will spend eternity in hell. Correct?
when a delusion is destroyed, panic ensues. religion is a pack-mentality ritual, made to give people hope of reward, and fear of punishment. of course these things would be meaningless to a 'creator' if there was one, absolutely trivial in entirety. not at all different than our punishing/rewarding of pets for their behavior, given that all animal behavior is their nature, and the only actual purpose of punishment/reward is for training's sake. in this case, that 'training' is religion, and the trainee is mankind. 'god' is merely the doggy treat, while the religious people are simply domesticated pets, owned by a controlling collective ideology. those who don't understand simply don't see the purpose of the training program. the purpose is the perpetuation of the pack, the collective. the truth is, though unfortunate, that pack-mentality behavior is typical of dogs.
I am trying to understand why people believe as they do. I at one time believed as they do also, from a lack of never really knowing any different. I then did some limited studying to find out what is a false religion vs the true religion and go down so many different paths, it was easy to get lost. And when you ask direct questions like a couple of posts ago, you get silence. Leading one to believe they don't know why they truly believe as they do other than that is what they were taught as youngsters.
To me, God's ultimate plan is to build an eternity called Heaven whether God and humans and angels will be living together happily. At the same time, freewill means division. With freewill in place, some humans will choose to be with God, some others will choose to be with sin. So God let this division happen but once on planet earth. After the period of earth whether God tries His best to bear with sin as a promise to Noah, humans will have to divide into those who are with God and those who can't be with God. Those who choose to be sided with sin can't be with God because God said clearly that He's totally incompatible with sin. As a result, those who choose to be with sin will have to leave God. Christians call this the permanent separation from God. So what left is the question that what will those humans be after leaving God. From the Bible, it is said the all those angels turned themselves into the devil after leaving God. If humans can't make a difference, they will have to be the same devils.
Those that choose God and no sin, what will they be doing? Constant worship at his feet? Those that choose sin, will they be having fun? Or burning for eternity?
you attempt to explain what god has done, but you fail to explain why he does it, which is the point of this thread.
if god is a perfect being, he would never experience such a feeling. loneliness is a characteristic of humans and other animals, a trait created through evolution that rewards animals that tend to have a pack-mentality. given that perfection (god's state of being) is not evolving, not mutating...he would not develop such a need. god is not a man, and thinking of god that way is naive and childish. if he hypothetically exists, and is then hypothetically perfect and omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent...then i would claim that he has no purpose, and no reason to create anything whatsoever. why taint his own existence by pairing himself with so much flawed creation? so much subjective irrationality and chaos? how does god define perfection? if his own existence is perfect...why change anything? wouldn't the only perfect action he could make be inaction? by acting at all, isn't he making an imperfect decision?
