GOP group defends ad showing burning image of AOC during Democratic debate

Scary thing is, we have paid into it our whole lives, but I keep being told it may not be there for me. Scary.

 

Thank you, fifthofnovember, for confusing socialism with communism yet again. You are right that you don't get to redefine socialism for everybody.

You link to the definition of a noun not 'socialism.'

1. This is not an absolute description. Democratic socialism, which the US has to be a weak extent, can work in a market economy, and that will only increase in our society, not decrease.

2. Countries with socialist market economies certainly do permit private property. You finally give a decent description of absolute socialism. Tell us where that is occuring in the world today.

3. Your description of Marxist theory is happening where in the world today? What kind of socialism are you describing.

IOW, you fail. When a school district (government) runs a school system, that is socialism. The same for public PDs or FDs or the VA or county health systems or public sewage systems.

You just don't get it, fifthofnovember.

 

The fix is simple, but the GoP won't do it, so be scared of the Republicans.

 

That is a logical fallacy. You can't even begin to argue it philosophically much less logically.

 

It is socialism via proxy control of govt. by corporate money and influence.Something yous guys ignore it is closer to fascism also yet the people in power decide who wins and who loses in society via the influence and money it influences govt. members to be motivated.

 

That is not what the president and the GOP claims...You must be missing out.

 

Really!? Damn that Trump and his banners claiming the Democratic Party is running on socialism...Seems to be many folks wrong about it..

 

Yes especially the leftists who keep claiming it is the military or any public service which shows they are massively ignorant about socialism

 

Wrong

Schools And the VA and any public services are not socialism

You demonstrate a failure to comprehend and grasp the meaning of socialism which is government seizure and ownership of the means of production

Socialism fin any nation trying it, democratic socialism is merely socialism where they justify the theft by vote

 

So now Trump is a leftist how obscure of a rational..

 

Mexico is a socialist nation yet has gun rights, a Constitutional govt. and private property is allowed..

 

Of course those institutions are socialistic, soupnazi. Your misdefinition is absolutely long and wrong.

The right wing is deliberately misdefining socialism as fascism. This attempt to influence the elections for the GOP will backfire massively on them.

 

It is not a socialist nation

 

My definition is accurate and precise.

your is false and made up. Pub;ic services are not socialism or even examples of it and that is simple fact

It is you and progressives attempting to redefine it

 

That's not socialism, though. It's oligarchy. Basically the exact opposite of socialism.

It's always funny when people ascribe things to "yous guys" or "your ilk" or something else meant to collectivize opinions. It's funny because it's almost never accurate. I in fact do not "ignore it is closer to fascism". YOU are the one doing that when you claim that our current oligarchy is "socialism", when it is just a corruption of capitalism which does indeed resemble a form of reverse fascism (a merger of state and corporate power, but with the corporations calling the shots instead of the state). But the problem isn't capitalism; it's the corruption.

 

Trump already cinched it up the moment EVERY D candidate raised their hand for "FREE" healthcare for all ILLEGALS. Scared off any fencesitters with a lick of sense.

 

Since the Dems did nothing of the sort, and Real America knows that Trumpers lie, lies like those of the Trumpers locks up the elections for the Dems.

 

Untrue in every way. I'm not redefining ****. I linked to the dictionary, while you linked to nothing but your own assertions. And your say-so trumps neither the words of Marx nor the dictionary definition. And the link clearly did not confuse socialism with communism, either. It rightly called socialism a transition stage between capitalism and communism. Just as Marx said. Maybe you should read what Marx said about socialism before you start calling high schools and roads socialism. Keywords: Means of Production. If you don't address the means of production issue, you aren't addressing socialism. At all.

Uh, dude, socialism IS a noun. Maybe you need to go back to school, maybe take an English class.

What you are describing is not socialism, because socialism does not coexist with a market economy.

There is no such thing as a "socialist market economy". If it's socialist, it's not market, and vise versa.

Hopefully nowhere, and sane people aim to keep it that way.

What kind? ACTUAL socialism, with no qualifiers.

The existence of a public sector in no way means "socialism". The lack of a private sector is socialism.

 

fifthofnovember, this election will not be decided by right wing propaganda of misdefinitions and false hoods.

Real America is onto you. When government controls the financing and production and distribution of services (such as education), that is socialism.

 

LMAO so now the Merriam-Webster's dictionary is "right wing propaganda of misdefinitions and false hoods". This kind of crazy talk is what is going to lose you the next election.

Real America is the opposite of what you portray.

No, socialism is when the MEANS OF PRODUCTION are owned by the state. Read a book. At least a dictionary. And then take off your tin foil hat and realize that the dictionary is not a right-wing conspiracy.

 

fifth, you don't get it, but that's OK, because you will.

From fifth's own use of definitions certainly includes schools, fire departments, sewage systems, police departments, parks and recreations, and so forth and so on:

socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism


1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

 

"the means of production and distribution of goods"

Schools: Not a means of production.
Fire departments: Not a means of production.
Sewage systems: Not a means of production.
Police departments: Not a means of production.
Parks and recreations: Not a means of production.

And they don't really fall under "distribution of goods", either. Sure, the fire department might distribute some water over your house, or the police department might distribute some bullets into your body, but those aren't really what the definition implies. And since socialism's definition says "the means of production and distribution of goods", nullifying one is sufficient even if you want to try to pretend that distributing some water on your house qualifies.

Are you at least starting to get it now?

 

Outrage is always in season:

Dems Forced To Apologize After Mock Assassination Of Trump Enacted At Fundraiser
Democrats in Illinois have been forced to apologize after photos emerged of attendees at a fundraiser carrying out a mock simulation of assassinating President Trump.​

Personally, I'm not concerned by a video transition effect, the outrage over it is just the Democrats grasping at straws to deflect from their own egregious behavior (remember the horrible crosshairs?).

 

My Republican accountant told me 20 years ago, just raise the current limit on what one must contribute from and the thing would be solvent forever. ($127,800). Raise it to $200K.

 

I hope they are wrong.