GOP unable to find a single case of someone hurt by ObamaCare

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  1. goober

    goober New Member

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    Really? you are using FaceBook posts to show that people are being hurt....have you spoken to these people, what are their circumstances, have they tried the exchange, do they qualify for subsidies, because in all the cases presented by the GOP so far, the people were actually better off with ObamaCare.
    That's not to say that there aren't people who are paying more, it's just that they don't make very good stories.

    Face it, ObamaCare is working, people are signing up and it's going to work out fine.
    That's not a surprise to people who understand how insurance works, or to people who can discern real information from partisan hype.
    Once again, the same set of people gets fooled into believing something that's not true, and because they are behaving like a cult, and not like rational individuals, this only strengthens their belief in their dogma.....
     
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    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Its the govts website... not mine. Feel free to vist some of those folks Facebook pages to verify their stories, if youd like. Its not like they're trying to hide their identity as they report tripled premiums, lost doctors, 8 hrs waits on hold, paid premiums/but no insurance cards, etc.

    Obamacare is a disaster, but you'd never know by listening to you Obama worshippers.

    It's all about the spin.
     
  3. goober

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    And the vast majority of Americans are doing fine with ObamaCare, the reason the GOP has been unable to find anyone to use as an example of someone being hurt by ObamaCare that could withstand scrutiny is simply that while it may happen, it's very, vary rare.

    The "collapse" of ObamaCare is pure spin, and not surprisingly, the same people who fell for "tax cuts balance budgets", "Saddam is working on a nuke", "The US will easily win in Afghanistan", "The US will easily win in Iraq", "Obama was born in Kenya", "Fast and Furious will force Obama to resign", "Benghazi will destroy Hilary Clinton", etc. have fallen for this....hook, line and sinker......
     
  4. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Good job of repeating the lies you've been fed.

    Let me guess... you were unaffected by Obamacare.
     
  5. goober

    goober New Member

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    My cost of insurance went up $6/month, I have a zero deductible plan, with dental.
    That's the lowest increase in years.
    As a matter of fact, the growth rate of health care costs has fallen since ObamaCare passed, saving Americans billions already.
    That's in reality, but where you spend your time, in the right wing bubble, I know you're all worried about some poor woman who'll need to come up with $700 more each month to get her chemo.....
    Relax, the GOP made that up, it's not real, the savings are however...
     
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    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Speaking of making things up... this one is real.

    Paul Swensen
    I can't be denied health care as an amputee, I just can be over charged, yes my rate went from $6000 to $12,000 and my coverage is worse. They took away my great doctor and gave me junk and a 2 month waiting period for my new doctor.Like(*)·(*)1(*)·(*)Reply(*)·(*)Yesterday at 8:49pm

    Glad you came out ahead. Most haven't.

    Like I said... Obamacare, hurting millions to help thousands.
     
  7. goober

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    And how do you know it's not just another right wing lie? You really don't have a very good track record when it comes to that.....do you?
     
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    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    I cared enough to post his message. The question is... do you care enough to verify it... or are you pulling a Reid and calling him a liar without checking it out?
     
  11. goober

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    Lets review, so far every "victim of ObamaCare" has failed to check out, I'd say the ball is in your court..........
     
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    I gave you the link... stop trying to pass the ball to me.
     
  13. goober

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    And you don't have a clue as to how that sounds...

    The point is that every ObamaCare Tragedy that has been looked into, has turned out to be bogus, and your reply to that is
    "Hey, here's one that hasn't been checked out yet"
    Duhhhhh...and you give me a link to FaceBook.....
    Think about that for a while........
     
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    The 51st vote to repeal the ACA by repubs at a cost of 70 some million is really stupid. The ACA is here to stay.
     
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    what the heck? Use them? No need for anyone to make up stories as many who have lost their affordable insurance who through the federal exchange are offered only more costly health insurance premiums and higher deductibles with fewer providers are telling their stories.

    Why would anyone make up stories?

    Not a single case of someone being hurt by the PPACA? How stupid can you be?
     
  16. goober

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    Then why have all the stories told by GOP politicians turned out to be nonsense, that didn't happen?
    Why make up stories for TV ads, why not use real examples?

    Because this is like the family that was forced to sell a business or a farm due to the estate tax, an event so rare, it actually never happened.......

    Don't you get it? There aren't millions of people suffering from the burden ObamaCare imposes on them, there may be a few, but they are so rare that GOP political operatives have been unable to locate them.....and not for lack of trying.

    ObamaCare is working, people are signing up and the number of uninsured is falling, a very real problem is being addressed, the nation is better off and as you have pointed out so many times "not a single Republican voted for it".....
     
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    There has not been enough time yet for people to experience a major new illness or injury yet to feel the impact of the mandate. Since our government encouraged high deductible plans as the new norm across the country, people will avoid getting healthcare. Sure they will cover the preventive services but in reality people will not want to find out they need treatment for early diagnosis of cancer or heart disease since those cost will apply to their deductible.

    Having insurance and actually still being able to afford healthcare is impossible with high deductibles. The government knows that as well as as the greedy insurance companies. This is also going to effect our economy since they predicted that healthcare is the only one expected to grow in the future. The reality is it can't grow if healthcare providers are stuck with very large patient account receivables because those services were applied to their deductibles.

    Cuts to Medicare and Medicaid payments plus a reduction of insurance payments since now it is the consumer's responsibility spells economic disaster in the medical field. This will create small practices being bought out by the local hospital chain which will reduce employment in the long term. Already, healthcare providers are waking up to this new reality and that is why doctors are retiring early and getting out while they can.

    Then we can all say without a doubt that our government is responsible for destroying every sector of the U.S. economy.
     
  18. Mr_Truth

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    Poll: 64% Of Americans Say Obamacare Should Remain Law


    DYLAN SCOTT – MARCH 13, 2014


    A substantial majority of Americans believe Obamacare should remain law, either exactly as it is or with small changes, according to a new poll.

    Bloomberg News found that a combined 64 percent of Americans said they support keeping the law in place. That includes 51 percent who said it should be kept but may need some small changes and 13 percent who said it should be left alone. Only 34 percent said it should be repealed.

    Obamacare is also likely to weigh on people's minds when they vote this November: 52 percent said the law would be a major factor in their decision, and 20 percent said it would be a minor factor.

    The Bloomberg poll didn't ask how it would affect people's votes. An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found that the law was currently a wash between the two parties for the 2014 elections. Bloomberg News surveyed 1,001 U.S. adults from March 7 to 10. The poll's margin of error is 3.1 percentage points.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bloomberg-poll-obamacare





    OBAMACARE IS HERE TO STAY!!!! :flagus: :flagus: :flagus:
     
  19. tkolter

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    GOP I was hurt by the law when the state didn't expand Medicaid, and so if I don't get it under the state rules will the hospital and rehab center and all my medical providers and those that did tests will just have to eat the loss passing it on to others. So lots of people will be hurt directly or indirectly if I fail to get Medicaid. And even though I'm with the Community Health Services it limits my care options but its better than nothing.

    What they need to do is add a fat penalty for states not expanding maybe an executive order giving a serious bump for Federal contracts toward states that did expand, over ones that didn't. This can include private businesses, government entities and grants for things like research.
     
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    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/03/14/3406241/outside-political-groups-obamacare-ads/



    Outside Political Groups Are Spending Record Amounts Of Money To Deny Poor People Health Care



    Obamacare opponents have already run more than 30,000 television ads attacking the health law and Democratic candidates who support it, according to the media tracking group CMAG — a staggering 12-fold increase from four years ago. Many of the ads are being run in states with high uninsurance rates where hundreds of thousands of poor people could benefit from the Affordable Care Act, including Arkansas, Kentucky, and Louisiana.

    Nearly half of all ads that have been run about the health law in House and Senate races through March 9 are critical of the ACA. And in a reflection of the post-Citizens United political landscape, spending by outside groups without any official connection to a particular organization or party accounts for almost three-fourths of all the commercials, compared to just 13 percent in 2010.

    “We knew there would be heightened public awareness around the implementation of the law, and we thought it was important to go up early with a heavy effort,” said Tim Phillips, president of the Koch brother-funded group Americans for Prosperity (AFP), in an interview with Bloomberg.

    AFP has run the most anti-Obamacare ads of any political group by a large margin, targeting vulnerable Democrats who are up for re-election, such as Sen. Mark Pryor (D-AR) and Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA). The organization’s spots play up misleading “horror stories” related to the health law, such as Americans who have had their insurance policies cancelled or seen their premiums spike. But the ads’ content tends to range from exaggeration to outright misinformation — and AFP has even been caught hiring paid actors to play the roles of “real” local residents.

    It remains to be seen just how much the advertising assault will affect this November’s elections. But many of the commercials are concentrated in regions where large numbers of people can — and already have — take advantage of Obamacare’s consumer protections and financial assistance, especially the health law’s optional expansion of Medicaid.

    More than 100,000 of the poorest Arkansas residents have enrolled in private health plans under the state’s alternative to Medicaid expansion. Louisiana, which has rejected the expansion, has seen more than 45,000 people sign up for plans through the state’s Obamacare marketplace as of March 1. And Kentucky, where AFP is going all out to assist Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s re-election bid, has one of the most successful Obamacare marketplaces in the entire country, with over 87,000 enrollments through the Medicaid expansion and 55,000 enrollments through the private exchange.

    A Bloomberg poll from Thursday also suggests that the “repeal-or-bust” stance being advanced by Obamacare foes isn’t particularly popular. Just under 65 percent of Americans either support the ACA outright or small fixes to the health law while just 34 percent endorse full repeal, according to the poll.




    Small wonder why this forum is filled with endless LIES from the hysterical far right delusionals who pretend health care has not worked when it clearly has.
     
  21. Mr Johnson

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    NYTs, holy (*)(*)(*)(*)! I was hurt as were most working people who have maintained insurance all their lives instead of living on excuses for being without
     
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    Unbelievable how lock-step Party-line everyone is on Obamacare.
    The conservative fellows can't stand it, and the hard-left fellows are fanatically-intent on trying to sell the myth that there is nothing wrong with it.

    I am a non-partisan kind of fellow personally.
    And I'm a realist.

    The reality is, the disaster that is Obamacare is the fault of both the Democrats and the Republicans.
    (The Democrats for so hastily and thuggishly rushing it into law, and the Republicans for anemically allowing it to BE passed into law.)

    Face it, everyone.
    ANY bit of government legislation that was passed before anybody had time to read it,
    grows government,
    puts more power into the hands of the IRS,
    hurts people more than it helps people,
    costs much more than we have in the coffers,
    and
    accomplishes none of the stated goals upon which the law was marketed…..
    is a freaking train wreck.

    When you have a turd in your lap, I guess you only have two options;
    You can flush the turd, or you can polish it up and try to make it look shiny and attractive.

    I'll leave you Republicans and Democrats to decipher that particular analogy.
    ;-)

    - - - Updated - - -

    ..and just for the record, I had to give up my BCBS coverage for 2014 because of Obamacare.
    Thanks, a$$holes.
    :applause:
     
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    Realist, okay. Fact 25 States and DC have or will be expanding Medicaid and four more states are likely to and even Florida and Texas are starting to seriously talk about doing so. Do the math 25 States + means the law is de facto safe they will not vote in Congress against the interests of their own states and if the majority happens say 26 States + expand Medicaid repeal is dead.

    And no one wants it repealed they want if fixed that is different and likely necessary for the long term.
     
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    Heh heh heh.
    That it needs 'fixed' is an understatement.

    I would just love to hear even one of the die-hard Obamacare supporters admit even that much.

    In it for an inch, in it for a mile, I guess that's how it goes anymore.
     
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    Really, how were you hurt?
    This could be a big break for the right, they haven't found a real person yet who has a sympathetic story.....
     

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