Group behind Central Park's COVID-19 field hospital run by antigay evangelist

I agree. However, would you say that their help is better than if they weren't helping?

 

Well i doubt a gay suicide hotline would have the same standards for what compassion would actually look like. It certainly wouldn't be empty platitudes about how everything will be all right. Or that there is nothing wrong with you or your decision to be gay.

As editor of an Atheist magazine do you think I'd allow an article denegrading Christ?

 

It's not discrimination if you're not employed because you're a dick.

 

Everyone saying it's ok to be homosexual are the ones being "dicks"

Homosexuality being sinful, and the only remedy for sin is forgiveness brought about by repentance.
No homosexual organization in their right mind should hire me, and they shouldn't have to. They are well within their rights to discriminate againt me because of my religious beliefs. It's common sense.

 

That wouldn't be a case of saying "No Christians" though. Plenty of other Christians don't feel the same way as you and would be perfectly willing and able to man a suicide helpline. The reason you' be unsuitable is entirely individual to you personally, not your religion.

Anyway, you're still ignoring the key point. You've come up with a hypothetical example where your beliefs would make you specifically unsuitable or incapable of carrying out the actual job. The case that triggered this thread involved an organisation seeking volunteers for medical work demanding criteria that would be entirely irrelevant to the work they'd be doing. There is no reason to assume that all non-Christians (or Christians who don't follow their specific interpretation) couldn't do the job.

 

Sorry the fact that homosexuality is sinful behavior is not open to interpretation for a bible believing Christians. You can't interpret it out of the sinful category.
But many "Christians" hold lots of unchristian beliefs. But that's all beside the point.

Point being a Christian organization should not be forced to accept any volunteer that doesn't meet the organization's criteria..
I think they'd be silly to deny people for non religious roles however.

If you read the OP. You'll notice that the organization is question said they would not discriminate..

On the other hand this story came from nbc so no reliability there.

 

How so?

 

You made it relevant by trying to come up with examples where you'd be discriminated against for being Christian. All you achieved was confirming your bigoted perception of anyone who happens to believe differently to you.

Nobody forced them to do anything. Their discrimination policy for volunteers was merely brought to attention.

They did discriminate with the volunteer request. They claimed they don't discriminate with patients.

 

It's not bigoted to believe a certain behavior is immoral. It's not one bit biggoted for a gay organization to refuse to hire Christians either.

Let me ask you this.. were any gay volunteers turned away?
If not what is this "news " story about?

 

Faust, if you don’t like the requirement, go join one of the Satanic charitable organizations instead.

 

When he just says stuff like "homosexuals are going to hell." He doesn't clarify that he means people who PRACTICE homosexuality, and even then a sinner is a sinner no matter what the sin. And Christians sin too obviously.

 

So speaking the truth is hateful? Sorry but the truth is all men are sinners and Christ is the only answer to man's fallen nature. The sin you refuse to repent of is the sin that dooms you.

 

Location possibly. Katrina was way down South. We still say, "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth."

 

Sorry, did you miss my distinction of the PRACTICE of homosexuality?

 

You're loosing focus on the facts here. This has literally nothing to do with behaviour. The organisation in the article didn't exclude homosexuals, they excluded anyone who refused to sign up to their specific form of Christianity. I'm straight but if I was in a position to volunteer for this important work, I either wouldn't be able to or would be forced to bare false witness and sign up to a "Statement of Faith" I don't actually believe.

A charity organisation seeking volunteers but putting extremely restrictive limitations on who can apply which were entirely irrelevant to the work they would be doing. They're actively limiting the range of potential volunteers for the very important work and creating unnecessary social divisions based on religious belief. There are plenty of religious charities and other organisations which operate within a set of religious principles without feeling the need to impose anything like as prescriptive restrictions on volunteers or even employees. The unusual and extreme nature of the requirements in this case thus made it newsworthy.

 

So what’s the problem? They’re a charitable organization who has every right to determine qualifications. With that being said, if they’re not discriminating against patients, why do you care who it’s volunteers are or are not? If someone doesn’t meet their criteria to volunteer then they can go elsewhere. There are plenty of options for volunteering right now.

 

You just answered your own question..

There are lots of other charities you can volunteer for... probably charities doing the exact same work.

A Christian charity asking their volunteers not to be living in unrepentant sin doesn't seem even remotely extreme to me..

Again, was anyone turned away?

If no one was turned away. This is simply a smear campaign against the organization becsuse the left hates Christians, which isn't at all surprising as it's simply a fulfillment od prophecy.

 

I didn't ask a question, I only stated facts. And the fact other charities don't implement discriminatory policies doesn't make it OK for this one to, especially in the context of them working with the government to provide a public service.

Again, you're misrepresenting their requirements. They're not saying "You can't be/do X", they're saying you must adhere to their specific set of religious beliefs and practices. You might not even qualify.

Maybe, we don't know that. I seems perfectly possible that prospective qualified volunteers were turned off from applying because of the strict restrictions. If someone contacted them to volunteer but couldn't sign up to the Statement of Faith but were perfectly capable of doing the required work with no disruption, do you think they'd be turned away? Or maybe they just give lip-service to the principles and in practice let it slide?

How can it be a smear campaign when all that happened was the organisations published policies being quoted and valid questions raised as a consequence? Nobody is declaring that they're going to be "banished to the everlasting punishment of hell".

 

All wrong.

 

It's clear that you're ignoring me. Strange. Unless you're confident that you would loose the debate! In which case it makes sense!

 

I answered you clearly and concisely. That you don't understand is no surprise. Things of the spirit seldom make sense to those not so informed.

 

You didn't separate the practice from the mere orientation. You're as bad as Graham! Nice going!

 

You show you have nothing. It is democrats condemning Graham for his Faith

 

He wants his people to be on the same page. After all it is a Christian organization

 

It is democrats that are the ones creating the controversy