"Growing up godless"--America's secular families raising kids are doing "quite well"

Actually there is no Judeo/Christian/Islamic prohibition against lying. The commandment is, "Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor." So, technically, one can lie and not have to worry about the wrath of god. However most Christians do violate the commandment all the time. Ask them about atheists and they will variably bear false witness.

 

Newton didn't even know that germs cause disease. He believed in a global flood. He lived centuries before anyone though of evolution.

Aristotle was Newton's intellectual equal. Does that mean Aristotle's belief Bout the Greek gods or spontaneous generation have validity?

You are attempting to argue that just because someone smart believed something, that makes it valid. It doesn't. The only thing that makes something valid is evidence.

 

Actually religious groups regularly claim family values when they are in fact preaching christian values. However one can have strong family values and not be christian or any religion. That many non-religions families do just fine exposes the lie that religion is required for goodness.

 

fine, but it's not really a lie, those who believe religion is required for goodness are merely ignorant of the truth. But I understand the purpose of the OP, since bashing people of religious views is a liberal sport.

 

Uh dude the first thing prisoners do when they get into prison is start claiming a God of some sort. It makes dumb prison psychologists thing they are reforming. By the way last I checked the fastest growing religion in prison these days is Islam. Apparently you don't have to renounce violence to be a good Muslim. Makes it easier to survive prison and still get good marks for having reformed. Oh and a hell of a lot of folks claim the name of Christ but don't have the heart.

 

I'm sure you have some proof of that, please post a link.

 

From Einstein, "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

 

There is still white collar crime though.

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Half of minorities adhere to a religion, mostly Islam and Christianity.

 

Then please explain why kids in Religious schools and home schooled generally out perform secular kids in Public schools across the board on SAT and ACT.? And those parents and schools operate on about ten percent of the funding public schools get? Why do kids in Catholic schools no matter what the ethnicity almost invariably produce better test scores than secular kids.

The things I find really funny is the statement by secular people that religious kids can't tell real from fiction but Religious people could say the same thing about secular kids and for exactly the same reason. By the way everyone of these studies start out stating Christian kids are significantly healthier emotionally and mentally than secular kids and then immediately start trying to find some reason to discard empirical data that doesn't fit their expectations. One of them says they think it's because Religious parents tend to look at their kids through rose colored glasses. Not in any church I've ever attended. The more likely reason is that secular kids are more likely to experience divorce within there family unit than religious kids. But this isn't something secular sociologists are going to look into because it runs into another leftist false narrative that divorce really doesn't harm kids. bever mind hundreds of studies showing that children of divorce are several time more likely to engage in various self destructive behaviors then children who haven't seen their parents divorce.

 

Or using it to stay sane while in.

 

I think he made stuff up. The "Aryan nation" people were actually from near India, so wouldn't be blonde and blue eyed. The swastika is actually a Hindu symbol. The guy was messed up in so many ways.

 

What you are expressing here is a willful ignorance of how things really work. Nothing in science says that things just randomly came together. Rather things build up little by little. For instance Christians claim that an eye couldn't have just popped up by chance. But that is not how the eye formed. It began as a single molecule that was sensitive to light. As this proved useful it was retained as life evolved itself evolving into ever more complex molecules, collection of molecules then cells then whole organs.

In every area that we look at the pattern is the same. Things began extremely simple and through forces of nature became more complex, one little step at a time. This is true is cosmology, geology, biology... Even human endeavors exhibit the same pattern. A modern laptop didn't just pop up but evolved from simple mechanical logic gates, to electro-mechanical devices to transistors, to integrated circuits and even more advanced IC's hard drive technology, software development and the like.

A creationist's point of view implies that everything began complete and perfect and is now wearing down - in complete opposition from everything we see.

 

There's a lot to be said for one on one education and lower number of distractions. A few kids as opposed to many with different learning styles and intelligence levels. I have home schooled my son in the past because he is hyper and gets in trouble when in a traditional setting and I don't want to do meds, for one reason. While I am Christian, I don't think it's inherent for Christian kids to do better, since many non Christian families also home school. It's all about environment. Unfortunately, I have seen many Christian home schooled kids that are very sheltered and not very savvy with other types of view points.

 

Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are two of the most wealthiest people in the world. Both are liberals. I am a business owner and I am a liberal. I don't need to take money from Republican business owners, I just want them to pay their fair share. It seem Republicans are the freeloaders unwilling to pay for the infrastructure that they so readily use. It costs a lot of money to send US troops around the world to protect American oil companies. someone has to pay for it. Why not the people who profit the most from it.

 

Doesn't explain the advantages of Catholic and Christian school kids secular kids especially given that many christian schools have the same or larger class sizes.

 

Which is why, as all marketers know, Christians are the most gullible.

 

obama is religious and considers himself a Christian.

So I really love you statement there.

But really Christians act no differently than any other non religious person who is self righteous. They ALL think that EVERYONE has to follow their rules and obey their morality and that it's okay to hurt people to keep them in line.

Regardless of Christian or not.

 

Atheism predates the rise of science. In fact, it predates Christianity, in ancient Greece, it was a philosophy at about 300 BC. Atheism is not the inevitable result of science.

 

Actually you are wrong on this. Much of what Newton came up with he built upon the work of others such as Galileo and Kepler. Electricity and electromagnetism came after Newton and cannot be derived from Newtonian Mechanics. The transistor came about not from Newtonian ideas but from that of Quantum Mechanics which was mostly developed by atheists and agnostics.

 

Atheist just don't believe in supernatural beings or the premise that unless you do you'll fall for anything, in fact it seems that those who do have. A lot of people have made a lot of money and gained a lot of power convincing people to believe in supernatural beings looking over us.

 

Actually Rene Descartes is credited for this.

Actually there are bits of evidence but you are right to some extent in that we'll never really know for sure how it all began.

The God hypothesis is less tenable as the question arises, "Where did god come from?" Besides, in all of physics, there is no evidence for the existence of a god. However there is evidence for a big bang.

 

Or did the civilization of Greece include getting rid of pagan supernatural beliefs and faiths as science and scientific investigation flourished in ancient Greece and explained away some of the supernatural beliefs and thus became Greece philosophy.

 

I grew up in a religious environment and heard some of the most hateful things come out of Christian mouths, both preacher and lay alike, about atheists. They were wrong about atheists and just about any other subject you can think of. So to call them idiots is only fair.

 

We may get pretty close to knowing the exact mechanics, of course what happen is what exist now. We will never know what what the universe was like before this particular big bang, how many there have been, were they all the same, etc.

 

If there is one thing I have learned is that some Christians can have bigoted beliefs which they use to reinforce their own faith.