GST rise - should Turnbull honor Abbott's promise?

Hi,
we saw it with Labor, and now with the Liberal party. Shouldn't Turnbull honor the promise Abbott gave and not rising the taxes?
I mean, at the end of the day, it is the promise this government took to the last elections.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...changes-being-considered-20151208-gli766.html

Labor or Libs are both deceiving,
regards

 

Ffs no more tax no more tax no more tax no more tax no more tax no more tax no more tax

 

You complain about this and that, yet you continue to want to play ignorant. Abbott promised to take any tax increases to an election. Good old Mal should do the same.

BUT if your complaint is about both major parties deceiving you, OMG, did you only just figure that out??? You forgot your precious Greens and all those independents. Everybody on this forum has been telling you this and you needed to read it in the Sydney Morning Herald???


They are all deceiving you, after all that is ALL a politician can do…

 

Whatever is best for the Australian people and not forgetting our low socio economic members.

There are a few questions to ask, like what taxes are the state governments getting rid of? What measures will be in place to protect our low socio economic citizens? If these questions and more can be answered sufficiently and will be good for our economy then let's do it. But does it need to be this high? How about a 2.5% increase? Still a bit of bread going back into state coffers.

 

tv,
with the introduction of the GST we were promised some other taxes would be abolished, however we live in WA and nothing was abolished. Who lied to us then?

So 15% GST soon, and in five years time it will be 20%, and we are still paying all the other taxes.

Just imagine Labor would have argued about raising the GST, after it was clear that a surplus can not be achieved because of the downturn in mining.

What is the difference now? Mining further in a downwards trend, and no solution in sight. Except for raising the GST.

If we cannot stand on our own feet with what we produce, build or manufacture, we are doomed.
Regards

 

Even the intellectually challenged know this to be false. Sales tax-gone, whole sales tax-gone just to name two... If I was to continue I think we would resort to nothing but insult... So let us not fabricate evidence to support some premise that is a lie...

Due to the fact that this is still hypothetical we can assume that your idea of how the GST will go is reasonable except the time frame. Why??? Because, successive governments are unable or unwilling to make the hard decisions. Even though you and many others hated Abbott, he did make those unpopular decisions and was crucified for it. We could say the message was not clear enough or that nobody was loud enough but the truth is that NOBODY wanted to accept the truth. Notice that Good old MAL introduced popular policy and squashed down as many rumours of increases in taxes and cuts in funding…

The ALP… during their last governance they also examined an increase in GST and now attempt to hide that fact. The ALP considered that if they increased GST revenue they could cut state expenditure to increase the coffers of the Federal budget. I note that the Greens were also on this position and stand receptive to any increase if it can be justified to their expectation.

My opinion is that NO increase of the GST should be considered when governments still are unable to balance the books. When the GST was introduced many taxes were cut which assisted the poor in added cost. Granted, that due to the fact many taxes that were to be removed remained in place negated any benefit the poor would get and today they still pay for the lack of assistance. We can see this with the increases of people who need social welfare to survive.

Your point in the reductions in the mining industry is valid, but should never be allowed by any government to increase or create taxes just to continue to fund government slush funds and wasteful spending which in itself pushes more people onto the poverty line placing far more pressure on the welfare bucket further exacerbating government income stream that will continue to be blamed for debt and deficit by public office…

We are doomed if we continue to ignore the fact Australia has many entwined issues and cannot continue to borrow its way out of the problems created by poor governance and incompetent budgets. While government continues to represent by popularity Australia will remain doomed because by the time people realise the problems, it is too late. Just as it was with the car manufacturing, Everybody wants to sit and blame the Coalition for this and that and ALP/Greens that and this, but I believe if you look back it was Keating that foreshadowed this during the early nineties and advised the Car manufactures as a whole to adjust. Successive governments continued to simply placate the industry by paying an ever increasing assistance packages to keep the company’s manufacturing in Australia. We could blame poor management for not reorganising, we could blame the Unions but the truth is, it was the people who refused to demand change and continued to demand government pay until the inevitable…

 

Our problem is government waste. Instead of trying to work out ways to screw more tax out of the population, governments should be looking hard at economizing. Get back to basics, define just what the role of government is. Any program or office or department or whatever that does not produce a measurable outcome should be axed immediately. Another thing we should be looking very hard at is the abolition of the states. We have a situation where a population of just 23 million are supporting eight wasteful governments.

 

Name me one thing Abbott did well?

Certainly not abolishing the Carbon Tax, which would have helped us later on.
Certainly not by stopping the boats, our responsibility to say the least.
Certainly not by blaming Islam for all the (*)(*)(*)(*) happening.
Oh yes, Knights and Dames, I almost forgot....

I think Abbott will be regarded as the biggest fruit loop in our history.
Mate, we are from two completely different camps, staring at this world.
Regards

 

I'm guessing they probably kept a few taxes they should have removed, obviously they discarded some major taxes. There is a suggestion that state governments would get rid of stamp duty under any new increase, but would this just push property prices higher, through exciting the market? Will it benefit low income families? Obviously not directly but a filtering down effect, maybe? If low income families can be compensated I think I'm fine with it.

Apparently the economy is making a better than expected transition mainly through the services industry, I could be wrong but think I recall an article that suggested this was the case.

Maybe we need a recession M2 to readjust the economy? Is it people's demand of government and the me me me effect but yet people don't want to consider extra tax to cover these demands or redirection of tax in this instance. Investment is extremely low, I think the lowest in many years, so if private sector and consequently consumer confidence is too low to stimulate the economy the government may have to take the leading role but this will require more bucks.

The only way to fix things is a recession I'm starting to think. It would be bad for me, but in the words of tony Abbott regarding the soliders that were killed in Iraq "Sh!t" happens"!

I could live with a politician following their convictions if it could be argued transparently in favour of. We certainly didn't appreciate Julia gillards convictions and like you suggested, we will live to learn our mistake on this one!

 

Really??? Tell us all how increasing the cost of everything to buy abatement for ever increasing emissions of CO2(according to ALP/Greens own modelling) to placate the likes of you who clearly care nothing for the people who could not pay for your desire to appear like you care about the future of humanity. Yep, sure would have helped us later when all the poor are dead and buried…

Yes, it was good policy to stop people drowning at sea, I know how much it hurts your own personal ability to claim you care about something when it is no longer a problem and would immediately start the people smuggling industry up again just so you can say you care.

Abbott has not “blamed Islam for all the (*)(*)(*)(*) happening”. He does however point out that people should not apolagise to the Islamic world for NOT being Islamic…

So do you have any such prestigious awards to give people who serve the country beyond your petty desires???

What you think about Abbott has already been debunked by the fact nations around the world have far greater respect for the man than you have for anybody, including yourself.

You appear to be from one camp (so to speak) so you continue to attempt to categorise everybody into your own personal understanding of how the world works. Due to the fact you clearly could not address the points YOU raise in your premise and anything of substance to that point and had to cherry pick a comment to find some difference, me thinks your side of the camp is blinded by pure hatred…

Remember YOU started this by diverting the comment. The fact is you appear to be incapable of discussion on an Issue YOU created… Very disingenuous indeed…

 

So you are NOW advocating Austerity measures???

 

Yes, unpopular decisions, dames and Knights and throwing one at the prince. Did you hear the latest on this? The queen had distanced herself from Abbott and denied him an opportunity to meet with her. The fool thought he could go brown nosing the queen who is probably embarrassed by the whole issue surrounding her husbands knighthood! He is such an ostracised lonely figure these days and still pushes on with crap like islamiphobia! I rejoice everyday that this clown has been given the good ole heave ho! Hopefully his electorate give him the flick next time around.

 

I have couple issues here with this comment, generally speaking that compensation by removing stamp duty, payroll tax and other state government taxes as such will do NOTHING to compensate the poor. I don't know if you have noticed but the poor generally don't own businesses or buy houses... Now before you run about saying the flow down effect will compensate them, JUST THINK.

Now while there may be some direct tax benefit for the poor, I don’t see it, so the only compensation to be had is to pay them directly. Increasing the welfare budget to compensate the poor for a desired effect of increasing income to waste on government. Compensations will be eaten up by inflation and continued increase of cost so in short term the poor will be far worse off than before the start.

Another point is that the service industry is reliant on an economy that is competitive enough to sustain growth… Australia’s service industry is reliant on LOW Australian dollar. Now You might think this is great thing and many in the economy agree with you BUT, when you value your economy down how is that good??? Lowering the dollar is reducing the value of your economy. So while being a short term fix for an over expensive economy with added costs of being surrounded by sea, in the long run it is devastating for the economy and reduces growth ability.

The problem is that while Government is looking for ways to subjugate the issues they want to show you pretty pictures and pretend it is great. The political situation in Australia is at a popularity policy for the sake of saving their jobs which gives rise to short sighted policy and economic decisions to make them sound great, NOT for the benefit of the people but for the benefit of the government…

 

We're building discussion and stimulating thought, along with having a serious discussion about "policy". You know the thing you can't seem to grasp an appropriate concept of?

 

That remains to be seen, isn't it??? So far we have had one deflection you wanted to participate in let us see how far your "so called" serious discussion gets...

 

Barking up the wrong tree once again, you could make a good contribution with respectful responses in return if you could hit the mark on an occasion. You are full of yourself Gazza me man. Stop being silly now grow up and take people's constructive criticisms so that you will gain some respect on this forum....its up to you but happy to continue this way if you don't want to take that on. At least grasp the context in which things are said....up to you, you can play silly buggers or be spoken to like a gentleman.

Pose some questions Gazza but don't try and have the answer. Lead people into discussion...comprehendo?

 

We have nothing to prove to a self appointed guru... Sit on the sidelines and learn from how men discuss policy!

 

You can't lose, you cannot lose, can ya?
reg.

 

So that is NO to the serious discussion then, I see it did not last long at all.

You appear to be unable to discuss the topic at all so you resort to attempt at insult once again. If you are so unable to respond why bother at all if it is serious discussion you claim. Oh that is right, that point was a lie...

Just for edification you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink... Perhaps, again if you knew how to discuss an issue then you might get something close to a discussion, pretending that people POSE some questions when it was statement you are defending, simply insult to all decent Australians and the intelligence of the world... but that is expected from you…

Yes, again your inability betrays YOU, not what you think it does...

 

Hey cannot handle the truth, then don't cherry pick comment and lay your own personal hatred upon it in attempt to display something entirely different to what point was made in the comment.

I often wonder why people such as yourself hate Abbott so much. Clearly as pointed out previously you have not the decency of character this man has. Obviously, you actually know little about the man personally, yet you hate with such a passion that one would assume he murdered your first born in front of your face and got away with it. It just astounds me that people are so disgusting to think one person is at fault for everything that happens in a government, as you and many appear to do.

You continually claim to know what government is for yet when you make such ignorant and bigoted comments it is clear demonstration you do not.

So perhaps, if you want true discussion as the claim you might want to actually discuss the topic??? No, this is just another thread to vent your spleen of blind hatred for things you know nothing about…

 

Only incompetent managers, or greedy managers need to raise taxes.

I would like to know where the $hundreds of billions in tax money has gone over the decades, or is going? It certainly hasn't been spent on infrastructure.

If the economy was good, then taxes would not need to be raised.

 

No, you don’t have anything to prove... You already have proven your own lie to the world...

Just a point, HOW does talking to like-minded people about policy make a discussion???

I see it now

End of discussion

 

I should also add, before even thinking about raising taxes we need to reduce our welfare bill. $140 billion going out in welfare is a ludicrous amount for a country of 23 million people. We should aslo be looking at our foreign service. We have God knows how many ambasadors and their staff living like kings off the public purse. These plum positions are given out and even created as rewards for the party faithfull when they either resign or are SACKED by their electrate at an election.

 

One has to remember Australia is a small country in population so revenue streams are actually lower in comparison to other nations... However, this does not detract from your points

Australia has felt an outward push to assist where it can around the world in more ways than simply sending troops or guns. Sacrifices have continue to be made to assist rebuilding after catastrophe and assist nations who are not as luck as Australia to survive. This has been detrimental to Australia’s international standing were the country as a whole punches well above its weight and draws great praise from near ALL the world on its mentality when looking to the world.

Australia has always had far more respect internationally than it has deserved due to the way it interacts. And despite what the party political hacks drone on about internationally it is a requirement that must be protected at all cost. Australia is a luck country NOT because of the sweet idealist environment it is in, because that is the lie to the greenie. Australia has a harsh environment and no amount of money spent trying to change nature will make one iota of difference to such. Therefore Australia sends out (pays forward if you like) in hope that when it is needed it is returned. Generally speaking this has been the case.

However, lately the governments of Australia has been eroding such respect by placating the populist attitude while selling the national soul down the river simply to get their job back. Fools like to pronounce their hatred for such actions and yet are totally oblivious to the reality of the situation.

Your point of bad management has never been more close to truth. Sure the ALP was inadequate at this measure and Howard the fair weather manager… a stagnant attempt at true reform was lost and now we have Good OLD MAL… trying to find ways of taxing the people more while making it sound like it is a good idea… And the drones appear to be swallowing it…

Get the books balanced before taxing the crap out of people…

 

No, No, those positions are not given as partisan politics. Remember Beasley was appointed by Howard to the US. It is something strange but in parliament it is partisan politics but retire and real respect is shown...

Anyhow, adding to like-minded comment, increasing taxes will only increase the dependency on the welfare bucket... without True reform the poor are always the ones to pay most for greater revenue raising by taxation and many seem happy with that...