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Discussion in 'Music, TV, Movies & other Media' started by kenrichaed, May 17, 2012.

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  1. kenrichaed

    kenrichaed Banned

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    I had a debate with my brother in law about the best guitar players ever. He said it was based on talent such as Eddie Van Halen doing things that no one else can do.

    I said it was their style and that all great guitar players have the ability to play what everyone else does but it's their technique that seperates them.

    And Obama sucks :O

    Thoughts?
     
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    Style trumps "skill"....however..in guitar there is no "style" without some "skill"...

    A slow, full step bend with tremolo can be more powerful/meaningful than a barrage of machine gun 16th notes...
     
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    kenrich wrote: I said it was their style and that all great guitar players have the ability to play what everyone else does but it's their technique that seperates them.

    And Obama sucks

    Uncle Ferd says, "Yea...

    ... Obama ain't got no technique."
    :peace:
     
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    Eddie Van Halen is not a uniquely talented guitarist- there's lots of guitarists that can do what he does. Off the top of my head- Joe Satriani, Tony McAlpine and Jimi Hendrix and there's more. And Eddie Van Halen is not an innovator or creator of those guitar sounds- lots of guitarists came up with it first. He is something of an overrated player and he plays eye candy music.
     
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    submarinepainter Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    BB King , Albert King , Freddie King gotta Rock with the kings !!
     
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    There's different syle Rock n Roll guitar players.Like Alvin Lee was really fast.
    Jimmy Page more complicated.Eric Clapton most consistent.
    Guys like Allman Bros. original Dickie Betts get little credit however his sweet
    style of guitar licks in - Blue Sky - are among the best ever recorded.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    BB King actually sucks.His lead guitar licks are just sliding the strings.Not much in the way
    of substance.He is a good Guitar chord guy.But he's very overrated.Like those
    Muddy blues style guitarist.They basically can't play very well.
    Now Jimi was pretty phenomenal.Very original and intense.Played as a lefty and
    had the very needed long fingers.However Roy Clark was good and had short
    stubby fingers.
     
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    youenjoyme420 New Member

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    Best guitarist ever? Hendrix.

    /thread
     
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  9. Akula

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    That's all I needed to see.

    LMFAO...

    1971: Best Male R&B Vocal Performance for "The Thrill Is Gone".

    1982: Best Ethnic or Traditional Recording for "There Must Be a Better World Somewhere".

    1984: Best Traditional Blues Recording for "Blues 'n Jazz".

    1986: Best Traditional Blues Recording for "My Guitar Sings the Blues".

    1991: Best Traditional Blues Recording for "Live at San Quentin".

    1992: Best Traditional Blues Album for "Live at the Apollo".

    1994: Best Traditional Blues Album for "Blues Summit".

    1997: Best Rock Instrumental Performance for "SRV Shuffle".

    2000: Best Traditional Blues Album for "Blues on the Bayou".

    2001: Best Traditional Blues Album for "Riding with the King".

    2001: Best Pop Collaboration with Vocals for "Is You or Is You Ain't (Baby)".

    2003: Best Traditional Blues Album for "A Christmas Celebration of Hope".

    2003: Best Pop Instrumental Performance for "Auld Lang Syne".

    2006: Best Traditional Blues Album for "80".

    2009: Best Traditional Blues Album for "One Kind Favor".

    King was given a Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award in 1987.[47]

    A Grammy Hall of Fame Award was given to "The Thrill is Gone" in 1998, an award given to recordings that are at least 25 years old and that have "qualitative or historical significance.

    Other than those grammys I suppose he's almost as good a player as you. ;)
     
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    I guess what I look for in musicians is how innovative and unique they are whether this pertains to their style, complexity, etc. Specifically with guitarists, I see people like Django Reinhardt, Bireli Lagrene, Albert King, Hendrix, Ali Farka Toure, and many others of course as the true innovators whom you instantly recognize when you listen to them. Complexity of play is important, but playing blazing fast licks of 32nd notes at 400 bpm is drastically different than playing more complex improvisational lines at a slower tempo. I suppose each of these styles have their attractiveness for certain types of people, but I'd personally much rather listen to a really good improviser over a technically gifted musician any day.
     
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    Agreed. Van Halen mostly does a lot of fret board trickery that looks and sounds impressive to people that don't know any better, but there are people that are way more skilled than he.
     
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    But it's true that BB King is overrated. Sure, he has one a lot of awards, but that probes nothing. I'm sure Brittany Spears, or Eminem, have topped some music chart somewhere, but they are definitely not great musicians. (Can they even be called musicians? No, they fall under the "Artist" category.)
     
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    Yeah- I gotta go with Jimee Hemee...
     
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    I nominate Vai.
     
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    [video=youtube;eK0rvReE-4c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK0rvReE-4c[/video]
     
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    I love Malmsteen's music, even if it's a bit repetitive. Michael Angelo Batio
    creates some amazing neo classical stuff too.
     
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    Satriani is technically the best I've seen, but for "listenability", give me David Gilmour.
     
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    Rory Gallagher, RIP Who played Blues/Rock like no other, and made it 20 years past the magic 27. Jimi Hendrix, asked if he or Clapton was the best, allegedly named Rory.
     
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    Jimi's Foxy Lady...
    :wink:
    Kathy Etchingham: Life as Jimi Hendrix's 'Foxy Lady'
    2 February 2013 - As fans of guitar legend Jimi Hendrix anticipate the release of a new album featuring 12 previously unreleased studio tracks in March, his former girlfriend Kathy Etchingham recalls their relationship.
     
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    Not a guitar award among them.

    There were no guitarists who did what he did before he did it. Innovation gets strong marks in my world.

    Vai, Malmsteen, Satriani... all of the G3/G4 guys... their technical prowess is unmatched... same with Tony McAlpine, Marty Friedman, Jason Becker etc... these guys are guitar players guitar players. So many others too... but none the less... most people find them boring to listen to... however... what they do/did raised the bar irrevocably. The Paganini's of their day... and they all ALL owe it to Segovia.

    So I give innovation of technique to Segovia... and Al Di Meola... I guess oddly I feel the need to include Frank Gambale... and Vai is his own animal... based solely on Flexible... relegated to his work with Zappa and other bands and solo works... no... but Flexible was different.

    Listenability... to any culture on the planet... I again have to drop to Segovia.

    It is a genre that goes in all directions... so it looks like I have to say Segovia was the best guitar player ever. He built that house.

    Now that I answered the question to the best of my ability... I LOVE seeing people break out and do crazy (*)(*)(*)(*). This kid... phenominal... he is caught up in some weird cross dressing japanese culture thing so you probably don't get a hint of him here... but you cannot deny, what this here is... I give you Mayavi.

    [video=youtube;kEH7cphEODk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEH7cphEODk[/video]

    I can prattle on all day here.

    Someone love on SRV... he wouldn't have been SRV without Hendrix... but he woulda' been somethin'.
     
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    I read an interview with Eddie where he said that before Van Halen got their first big contract, whenever they were gigging at an LA club he used to turn his back to the audience when he was soloing. Whenever they played, the established players from the LA music scene would always come to see them, and he didn't want any of them to cop his licks. He figured none of them were doing anything to help him get signed, so screw 'em. He wasn't going to teach them anything.
     
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    Only guy who ever turned down a seat with the Rolling Stones, as far as I know. They offered him Mick Taylor's job when Mick finally got fed up with Keith and hit the bricks, and Rory hung with them for a week or so in Amsterdam or someplace like that while he thought it over, but in the end he decided he just wasn't a Stone. The job eventually went to Ronnie Wood, although it is widely believed that it wasn't until about 3 years later that Wood sobered up enough to realize he'd joined the Rolling Stones.
     
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    Tom Verlaine and Richard Lloyd.

    Duane Allman and Dickey Betts.

    Along with the obvious Hendrix, Clapton, Page, Beck, etc.
     
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    Totally agree with this statement. Music, as any art, is supposed to open your mind to new experience and shine a light on things you have already seen from a differnet perspective. Ali Farka Toure and his son Vieux have been favorites of mine since I first heard any of their work. They have translated their native traditional styles to fit nicely with modern instruments and put an interesting twist on the styles of other cultures as well.

    [video=youtube;4MMjmlQN6xg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MMjmlQNxg[/video]

    And how come we aint seeing no love for Carlos Santana up in here? The man can pick up any kind of riff and totally own it, out of just about any genre.

    [video=youtube;PvNf9T0yJhU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvNf9T0yJhU[/video]
     
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