Guns for self-protection cause more harm than good

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  1. 9royhobbs

    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    Sure....why don't you tell me to check Exxon's site to prove climate change isn't real.
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    And yet you don't provide a link
     
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    Please, the American Riflemen in its Armed Citizen section provided due documentation of multiple incidents every month. Buy a copy and look it up yourself.
     
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    Minorities are people. Dead is dead
     
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    I don't have too, I provided you a bona fide source. You're just too lazy to look it up. BUT if you were a member of the NRA you could get access to the online version.
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    No, I won't. Without even looking I know (as anyone with a brain would) the information is biased and un-provable.
    But for the sake of argument how many crimes are stopped per year by armed citizens? I'm asking because a guy named Kleck in '93 claimed 2.5 million a year. That's 6849 a day. That's unrealistic so how many do you say......for arguments sake.
     
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    And bad choices are exactly that.
     
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    And you revel in those choices and wish the death toll were higher
     
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    It's not even disputable and you've never even bothered to read it. Next.
     
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    Your words, not mine. It's their choices and their community. If they could put it on pay for view they would.
     
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    Did the children who get in the way choose this?
     
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    Geez, we're up to our eyeballs with liberal slogans such as "it's for the children." No the kids didn't choose it but their parents and their society certainly did. Next. BTW "children" get caught in the "game" pretty early in life in the hood and they are making choices.
     
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    Very true, between Minorities self destructive behavior and mindset, and acceptance of Liberal Political B.S. and Philosophy and systematic brainwashing, and Political Leaders that introduce Dependency on social programs rather than self reliance and Industry, then to top it off, Gun Control and fear mongering over facts and reason.

    Pushing a Gun Control Agenda is false because it does not affect Criminals, only the Law Abiding Citizens, then use Emotional hyperbole, do it for the Children, they try to shame People into Gun Control.
     
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    http://www.fox13news.com/news/local-news/67736386-story

    The hard part is quantifying how many FUTURE armed robberies this thug WOULD HAVE committed, had this homeowner not ended his crime wave early. He had a long violent record, was 24 years old. If you think this gun owner had no effect on violent crime, then you're delusional.
     
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    That's BS, the group that hopes for more gun deaths-especially that of innocent children (they don't seem to care much about inner city blacks killing each other in Democrat run cities like DC and Chicago)-are the gun banners. Its what they use to bludgeon debate and silence pro gun advocates.
     
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    So can you explain why there are more child gun deaths in states with fewer gun laws? Why America has a child death rate from firearms higher than any country not an active war zone
     
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    That is just not true, Vermont with fewer firearms Regulations has fewer children dying from firearms related causes, as you go down the list of States with less firearms Regulations other than the Federal UBC, the instant check system and filling out the 4473 form, there are few children dying from firearms related causes.

    However, in NYC, and Washington DC, Los Angeles CA, Chicago, Maryland, all bastions of Draconian Gun Control, you will find the numbers of children dying from firearms related causes to be very high.

    Highest concentration of deaths of children is seen in inner city slums, and those children end up in the ERs of major city hospitals, shootings related to Gang turf wars and other Drug related activities.

    It is called collateral damage related to Criminal activities and hence why trying to associate violence with legitimate law abiding citizens that own firearms is disengenuous.
     
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    OK, that's 1...6848 to go for that day for the stat to be correct.
     
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    can you explain why cities like Chicago and DC with almost total gun bans for decades had so many murders.

    did you know that gun banning groups count anyone under 25 a "child" and many of those are inner city black gang bangers?
     
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    Yeah, if you drill down the data, you'll start looking at cities with higher numbers of Democrats especially those of certain ethnic groups.
     
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    Yeah, it always good to "drill down the data" until you get the result you want
     
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    I never said group QLB has said very explicitly that we need MORE gun deaths. He says they are a public service

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    Because they are no impenetrable islands. Are you kidding? Guns are shipped into NYC
     
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    and cherry picked

    Do you want to add a straw man so we can tick off all logical fallacies in the one post?
     
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