Hall of Fame: Bonds, Sosa NO! Roger Maris, YES!

You will get no argument from me since I've been a Henry Aaron fan since I was 7 years old.

 

Will Big Papi make it in 6 years? He's announced this will be his last season, then the 5 year waiting period.

There was the hint in one report years and years ago he juiced. No proof. But the writers still aren't letting anyone in with even so much as a hint of juicing.

 

Unfortunately Aaron was before my time, I consider you lucky to have witnessed such a great play the game. My idol was Nolan Ryan growing up, I used to practice every day from when I was 6 years old and pretending to be him even though I was a lefty lol.

But I did get the chance to witness greats such as Griffey Jr. , Frank Thomas, Albert Belle, Ricky Henderson, etc. etc.

Now days you gotta wonder if anyone is actually playing with their natural ability and it's sad .

 

I would never vote them in. In my mind they should never even be on the ballot. I would put Pete Rose into the Hall before them. I saw Maris come over from Kansas City to New York, he never adjusted to the big city. I do not think he has HOF credentials for his career. He is way short. But in my mind he is still the single season holder for them most home runs like Hank Aaron is for a career. Bonds ought to have an asterisk next to his name, Sosa, Rodriguez etc. with states Steroid User.

 

Spot on post.

It's kind of funny how only certain forms of "cheating" are frowned upon, while others are largely ignored. Gaylord Perry can admit to cheating most of his career, and aw shucks he was just a trying to get an edge. Roger Clemens used steroids for a few years, and he's a dirty cheater deserving of nothing but scorn.

My suspicion is that as time passes on, voters will soften on the "steroid era" stars. At the very least, Bonds, Clemens, and Arod will be elected to the HOF. The numbers are simply too staggering to ignore.

 

Edgar Martinez>>>>David Ortiz

 

Rose broke the number #1 rule in baseball. He did what he did despite knowing what the punishment was. His situation is entirely different than the situation of Bonds.

 

Clemens was the greatest right handed pitcher in the game since Bob Gibson and one of the best of all time well before any alleged steroid use. He had four Cy Youngs. Bonds is possibly the greatest hitter of all time and had won 4 MVP awards before any alleged steroid use. I know for a fact that young players were encouraged to use steroids by MLB player development officials until well after 2000. How many steroid pitchers did Bonds have to compete against before he finally joined the crowd? Dozens, no doubt. Same with Clemens. He had many of his greatest years while pitching against dozens of players who were using steroids. MLB leadership is about as hypocritical as it gets when it comes to this issue. They were well aware of steroid use years before they acted "shocked" only after Bonds obliterated all of those records. I might add that that was only a year after they glorified McGuire and Sosa who were obviously using performance enhancing substances which were perfectly legal at the time. If Clemens and Bonds are kept out of the HOF, that whole institution is a bad joke. As for Roger Maris, he was a fine ball player who had a couple of great years, but does not have even close to HOF numbers.

 

Yep, I agree, MLB leadership is undoubtedly a bunch of hypocrites. Even Jose Canseco, the self-proclaimed "Godfather of steroids" points this out. MLB knew that players were juicing, and turned the other cheek because the $$$ was rolling in. And say what you want about Mcgwire and Sosa, but they did "save" baseball after the 1994 strike.

 

True on Rose, gambling. But Rose's gambling didn't affect the game the way the steroid usage did for ten or so years. Rose earned every one of his record setting hits. No steroids. Bonds didn't, Sosa didn't, McGwire didn't, Clemons didn't really earn all his wins. What Bonds and company did was not only to taint the game of baseball, but make records achieved during that time period meaningless.

As far as I know, Rose's gambling was done during the time he was manager and he was betting on his own team. If Rose is banned from baseball, it should be as a manager. Not as a player. He didn't taint a whole generation of baseball players.

But it is what it is. In my opinion what Bonds and company did was much more harmful to the game than what Rose did. If I had my way, I would erase everyone of their records from the books as if they never happened.

 

Griffey wasn't eligible until the next ballot...he should be a lock for a first-ballot win, though.

 

Nothing. Maris just is not a Hall of Fame player. He was an injury-prone journeyman outfielder, only a .260 hitter, hit 275 home runs in a 12-year career. Good, yes, but several levels short of HOF. If you put Maris in the HOF, you then make a case for putting Mo Vaughn in...his numbers (.293, 328 HRs) beat Maris' on all levels. For that matter, Dwight Evans' numbers blow away Maris' (.272, 385HR), and he adds eight Gold Gloves to the mix.

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Probably not...not even WITHOUT any steroid rumors. He wouldn't make it simply because he's a DH.

 

Preposterous. Ortiz is fifty times the hitter Martinez ever was.

 

Yep,its all about money.professional sports now are so corrupt its unreal.thats why i stick to mostly old games from the past.

 

Best damn post on this thread,bar none.great job professor,you took EVERYBODY here on this thread to school and checkmated all the doubters.

 

add roger clemons to that list as well.

all of these people below should have the same punishment that Lance Armstrong had of having all their records stripped away from them.
they should all be banned from the HOF.
Roger Clemons
Sammy Sosa
Barry Bonds
Mark Mcguire
Tom Brady
Bill Belicheat.

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You nailed it. Dont forget Roger Clemons as well.

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You nailed it. Dont forget Roger Clemons as well.
Roger Clemon,Barry Bonds,Mark Mcguire,Sammy Sosa,Tom Brady.and Bill Belicheck should ALL have the same punishment given to them that Lance Armstrong was given.That will never happen though because its much easier to punish one person than all those people because they would have to acknowledge these sports are corrupt and they will never do so.

 

I appreciate it.

 

cool,did you see my message i sent ya?

 

I got her and it is true. All the way back to the snow blower removing the snow prior to the field goal.

 

I always tell people who speak the truth about how the cheatriots get special treatment and are the spolied rich brats of the NFL not to use that in their dicussions because thats actually apples and oranges.Remember Kraft wasnt the owner back then.It wasnt till Kraft took ownership of the team that the refs were in the pockets of the owner.

the snow blower game is apples and oranges compared to stuff that has gone on since kraft took ownership of them.I liken that to a game of baseball I played in once. It was in my college days and we were in extra innings late in the night and I made the last out of the game that night except in reality I really did not make the last out that night.

I hit a grounder to third base and my my foot hit the first base bag the same time he caught the ball.tie goes to the runner right? the umpire called me out much to my astonishment.I knew I was safe.I could not believe he called me out.my teammates could not believe it either.many afterwards were saying-Man I cannot believe he called you out,you were safe.

that baseball game i played in obviously wasnt rigged,thats just an example of where the umpire abused his authority because he wanted to get the game over and done with and not take the chance that the next batter up would tie the game and send it to even more extra innings so he did the convienent thing and called me out ending the night.

same thing with the snowplow game.That game wasnt rigged,that was just the officials abusing their power in authority having the field snowplowed to make sure that kicker did not miss the field goal to send it into another overtime.it was cold day that day and it had already gone into overtime and they did not want another overtime chancing that he would miss it and it would go into double overtime so they made sure he did not miss it by snowplowing the field.

Thats not anywhere near the tuck rule though,the biggest BS call in NFL playoff history where they INVENTED a rule on the spot to make sure the cheats made it to the superbowl that year since the NFL wanted to see them in the superbowl that year.

pro sports are so corrupt in this day and age its unreal.sad but true.and a lot of people cant handle that fact around here.

 

Sort of like wrestling in a way. Pro sports is a lot like politics where if someone is of you party and he does wrong, you dismiss it, ignore it or even cheer. If a member of the other party does the same thing, you are all over them.

 

I'm a Cubs fan, I will tell you that Sosa has no business in the HOF.....

I have respect for the HOF and I'm not putting a guy like Sosa in...

He didn't gain a 100lbs by himself compared to when he was a skinny rookie - he was juicing while many of his peers weren't.

The guy was on PED's and perhaps that has something to do with the fact he is now white lol... I don't see his PED use with his skin change a coincidence or anomaly...

I know PED's come in skin cream format...

 

None of those who used PED's should be allowed or voted into the Hall. Names are irrelevant to me. Because of that 10-15 years time period, baseball's records really do not mean that much anymore.

 

you nailed it.

your post is indeed spot on.It proves the hypocrisy of some cheatriot fans here.they will acknowledge the wrong doing of Barry Bonds,Mark Mcguire,and Sammy Sosa but they look the other way and ignore pesky facts how Tom Brady and Bill Belicheat have disgraced the game the same way those three did.

yeah I am not sure about baseball but your point on pro wrestling is dead on.the NFL is every bit as much scripted and rigged as pro wrestling only difference is the outcome doesnt always go the way they plan it in the NFL.

 

Yeah the Cubs are my favorite team in the NL and no way would I want to see Sosa in the HOF either.

The apologists who defend Barry Bonds when you mention the facts that he could not carry Babe Ruths jockstrap "Babe Ruth is the TRUE home run king for most home runs in one season." they ignore facts that Bonds and Mcguire were both just like Sosa when they first came into the majors.

They were all three a bunch of skinny runts and then all of a sudden they have these huge muscles and are hitting home runs out of the ball park left and right? they had to cheat to achieve greatness therefore they do not belong in the HOF ,plain and simple,end of story.period.

The real home run king for most home runs in a season is Babe Ruth.He played in cavernous yankee stadium where back then,the stadium walls were much further out than they are now.A home run to dead center was like 470 feet or something.

No way in hell would the skinny runt Barry Bonds have even come close to hitting close to as many home runs as he did had he played in that stadium. the stadium the Giants play in is cavernous as well but I am not impressed with the 73 homers because he was juicing.It wasnt till towards the end of his career when he was juicing that he all of a sudden became a dangerous hitter. Plus Bonds played in an era where the ball was juiced and the strike zone shortened.

Ruth is still the record holder for most home runs in a season and Hank Aaron I give the record to for most home runs in a career i guess because even though he played in more games in a season than Ruth,he still faced some hall of fame pitchers.