Has god stopped performing miracles and why does it seem so?

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  1. Diablo

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    Q1: That's a good question. Something undeniable but without scientific explanation. All cancers disappear from the world. Natural disasters stop. Something like that.
    Q2: No
    Q3: No. There are other religions. Would skeptics become religious? Some might, but others may seek rational explanations.
    Q4: Everyone likes an argument.
     
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    Because God is too busy in the middle of a football huddle
     
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    It's taken care of, and will happen on Christ's return. Would you like God also while he's removing other bad stuff take away your free will so you had to believe?

    What if there are no rational explanations, like how the image got on the Shroud?

    It seems pointless since even if you saw a miracle, you say it may not change your stance.
     
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    Trump effortlessly defeated seasoned GOPers during the primaries, and then destroyed both the leftist-allied Mainstream Media and cheating Hillary Clinton to take the presidency and then survived a nearly three years long fully funded Mueller witch hunt . . . miracles all. Notre Dame Cathedral was a loss but then miraculously hardly any meaningful damage was done to incalculably valuable art and historical and religious relics and then two French billionaires decided to pony up enough funding to restore the place . . . miracle.
     
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    Thank you Lord for both. :)
     
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    WINK . . . and there's even more. Under Obama, the Junior Varsity ISIS was gradually taking over Iraq and perhaps would have ended up in control of most of the Middle East. Trump simply shrugged and ordered his generals to destroy ISIS . . . and it was done. The economy under Obamanomics? Total garbage. Under Trump, it's a roaring economy . . . miracle.
     
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    Can we get Christ back soon then? Too late for my partner who died of cancer, but might save many others. I don't know what your question about free will has to do with miracles.
    Many people would keep searching for rational explanations; that's what science is about. A failure to find them now does not require a belief in god: we've already found rational explanations for many things which puzzled us in the past. I suppose someone will solve the mystery of the shroud in due course.
    It may not change my stance since I may seek rational explanations. Others may not.
     
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    We need a miracle in the UK - in fact we need two: stop Brexit and stop that gobsmacking idiot Johnson from becoming PM. I will truly start believing....
     
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    I like Johnson, he's Trump-approved.
     
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    That's the problem right there.
     
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    Perhaps you didn't read the article? Several people heard a voice, of a woman. A woman that had died before they ever showed up on the scene. Unless you are suggesting that the baby called out to them? A hunch =/= a hearing a womans voice.
     
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    A perfect match as both have narcissistic personality disorder.
     
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    If I witnessed the passage of a man curing the sick on a mass scale, feeding the masses with a single loaf of bread, walking across water, ending natural disasters or war that said the Bible is 100% correct — I would absolutely and immediately accept it as truth.

    You pointing to one book out of hundreds of millions — one that has been written by man and edited by kings — as the “word of god” however, is much less convincing.
     
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    By your reasoning, if you did, your testimony would be rejected as 'biased', just as you reject the testimony in the Gospels of those who did see those things.
     
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    There is zero evidence that the people in the Gospels existed. They are just characters in a story. Do you really think that there were stenographers following people taking detailed notes of what they did and said?
     
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    Seeing is believing
     
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    Correct.

    Because if miracles happened repeatedly, then they wouldn't be miracles, now would they? If people regularly rose from the dead, then it wouldn't be all that miraculous of an event...
     
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    There never were any miracles. Just a bunch of people who had no idea how to explain some natural phenomena and chose to label it as the work of some "god".

    There is no god, and therefore there were no miracles.
     
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    It wouldnt be hard. Lets say for example, every single person on earth was cured of cancer all at the same time on the same day. Everywhere. Without any type of intervention.

    THAT would be an unignorable miracle.

    Thats just an example, but you get the gist. There are plenty of things that god ( he doesnt get a capital G from me ) could do to prove his existence.
     
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    God saving a child from being molested or raped in a house of God would be a nice miracle

    the reality is, if God wont help them, no God is gonna help anyone

    if God wanted to create a miracle we could believe, heal a well known Christian amputee
     
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    When exactly did they ever start?
     
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    Did God not establish the land of Israel again in these latter days as promised and prophesied? Why do you deny this? It certainly has been a great miracle for sure! And, Israel is more than just the tribe of Judah (Jews).

    There are miracles every day. Great and small. You just don’t recognize them because of the elaborate modern era we live in. God did close His doors to Israel for a time called the great apostasy. But, today is the day of restitution of all things.
     
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    no, humans did that because of the prophecy, personally I think Jews would of been better off had they moved to America rather then the middle east
     

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