Hawaii judge puts Trump's revised travel ban on hold

MUSLIM BAN 2.0 BLOCKED​

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/hawaii-ju...-ban-hold-230430661--abc-news-topstories.html

A Muslim Ban is a Muslim Ban and it doesn't matter how many ways that Trump tries go cover it up with "Alternate Facts" (i.e. BS) it's still a Muslim Ban.

Seriously. Even Republicans know these executive orders are about Banning Muslims and not about protecting the United States from acts of terrorism. They may not admit it but they know it.

 

How does a judge manage to come to such a verdict?

It is clearly written in the preamble of the United States Constitution that: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." (https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution)

The United Nations have highlighted that some of these nations in the ban are violent extremist cesspools: "Violent extremists have been able to recruit over 30,000 foreign terrorist fighters from over 100 Member States to travel to the Syrian Arab Republic and Iraq, as well as to Afghanistan, Libya and Yemen." (http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/70/674)

This judge could be reprimanded/removed for dereliction of duty: "The commission on judicial conduct has the authority to investigate and conduct hearings concerning allegations of judicial misconduct or disability and to recommend to the supreme court that a judge be reprimanded, disciplined, suspended, retired, or removed." (http://www.judicialselection.us/judicial_selection/methods/removal_of_judges.cfm?state)

 

The ban gives effect to Article 4, Section 4 of the United States Constitution: "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence." (https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript)

 

Mr. President......why not halt ALL immigration until the matter can be properly resolved?

We obviously have a severely broken immigration system that puts us all at risk.

Allowing immigration from ANY country under the current chaotic system is not in the national best interest.

 

A welcome judicial response- the same as would have been expected if Trump had banned Jews.

 

The difference being that Jews aren't going around the world killing and maiming, and forcing their culture on everyone else? I know, I know, neither are most Muslims, but the ones who are doing it are Muslims, so that aspect is a moot point which is difficult to argue with, even for the most devoted liberal, so there's no point in denying it.

 

Yours is the blinkered view- not your fault, mind, your blinkers have been media-applied. Here's the State Department list of ' Jewish ' terror groups. Don't tell me that temporary president Trump doesn't know about it. YOU might not know about it, the AMERICAN PEOPLE might not know about it- but don't tell me that temporary president Trump doesn't know about it;

With regard to actual violent activity- tell me which Muslim lobby groups pressed for the US to attack Iraq. As I recall, that particular blunder cost in excess of 5,000 American lives and produced over a hundred thousand American disabled. Israel is a terrorist state- yet Israelis come and go freely, take US dollars legally and illegally and scorn international law.
However, the banning of Jews would be wrong. All Jews are not terrorists.
Your ice is too thin. Stay off it.

 

I can honestly say that I haven't heard that any of them are committing atrocities or demanding that the western system of law be changed to Sharia. Can you give me a link for just one incident which might remove my blinkers?

 

FIRST. It is not a muslim ban. I wonder how many muslim nations you think there are in the world.
SECOND. If "Hawaii argued that the ban discriminates on the basis of nationality" then there is your proof that it is not a ban on religion.
THIRD. What's to say that Trump allows Hawaii to ignore the so-called ban and simply puts up immigration facilities on all INCOMING transportation FROM Hawaii to the US mainland ...... but not To Hawaii from abroad and from mainland 'transit'?

 

He didn't ban Muslims, he banned immigration from particular countries. I could not have supported a ban of Jews under any circumstances, but I could have supported a ban on Israelis (given appropriate justification).

I think the WH might eventually get this one away. They screwed up the first effort with the ridiculous position that the powers of the President were not subject to the oversight of the judiciary. After they said that in public, there was no way the judiciary could possibly back down.

It appears the WH have now done something of a mea culpa.

The court is tracking on very uncertain ground to pretend to read the mind of the president in the execution of his powers. That is far too subjective and borders on thought control. The validity tests must be objective in nature.

 

Free movement between the states is constitutionally protected

 

Did you forget Irgun?

 

Sounds good to me.

Yes, but this thing about what is in the Constitution and how it is or isn't interpreted ..... I can think of several very highly controversial examples of the Constitution being ignored. I am certain that you can as well.

 

Getting back to the Hawaii - Mainland immigration idea. The theory of being allowed 'in' but not 'out' (or visa versa) is not unprecedented.

* Jordan - Israel
* North - South Nicosia

 

Sure- now take your blinkers off or leave them on- it's up to you.

Moving on from that- who is it that has inflamed Muslims to make them the ' terrorists ' that temporary president Trump calls them today ? Is the sleeping lion to blame for being prodded by the neoZionist stick ?

 

25% of Israelis are Muslims. Let's not be lured into accepting Jewish exclusivity in Israel.

Of course, the ban doesn't state ' Muslims' , as you say. It's the implication that that was the intent which has offended the judge.

 

Yes. This is approaching 'the bottom line'.

Is it as much as that? But then my next question is ..... obviously ...... by whose rule of thumb are we defining 'Israel'? The borders of today? ..... the 'original? ( please do not ask me to define that!) ..... or somewhere in between?

 

The judicial response is generally unconstitutional and lacking in any sort of rigorous critical inquiry. This should go to the Supreme Court where the ban will be upheld.

 

Maryland judge blocked part of the 'No Bringa No Muzlums Here Law'.
Seriously guys this is heading way up the the top so we will not know what the toon will be until the SUPREMES sing.

 

What was it when Obama did it?

 

The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals gets overturned by the Supreme Court nearly 80% of the time.

Nothing to see here, another one coming soon.

 

What are you saying - that Hamas should be allowed to fire as many high explosive devices into the civilian areas of Israel but that the IDF should just sit back at watch them coming in and take no action? I mean DUH!!??

 

The way I see it, either U.S liberals completely lost their minds or half of posters on this forum are simply Muslims in disguise. There's nothing to celebrate. Letting people in on a massive scale is irresponsible, especially the ones that have proven to be disloyal and ungrateful.

Minneapolis has become recruiting ground for Islamic ...
Minneapolis has become recruiting ground for Islamic extremists. ... It's center of the nation's largest concentration of Somalis, ... ISIS recruitment threat.
cbsnews.com/news/minneapolis-has-become-recruiting-gr...

For Somalis In Minneapolis, Jihadi Recruiting Is A Recurring ...
U.S. officials say young Somali-Americans are leaving ... of ISIS' recruitment effort ... on the ground in Minnesota recruiting for ISIS. ...
npr.org/2015/02/18/387302748/minneapolis-st-paul-...

Minneapolis' ISIS problem - Business Insider
... We have a terror-recruiting problem in Minnesota ... The Twin Cities have an ISIS problem. Colin ... has exclusively targeted Minnesota's Somali ...
businessinsider.com/minneapolis-isis-problem-2015-9

Just few examples. There are many more. You've got to be a complete idiot to ignore it.

 

My only comment is about:

Facts, constitution and law win against stupidity, arrogance and "alternative truth"!

Oh so ... and that Donald is mega annoyed and in his stupidity the whole is called illegal by him, is clear ... nothing else was to be expected.

 

It all reminds me of the opening scenes in War of the Worlds: the Martians' war machines have been lying dormant for eons, then at an opportune moment they;re suddenly activated by an outside force and all hell breaks loose. Just let the liberals find out for themselves the hard way - liberals always need to be on the receiving end of the chaos they've caused before they realise they were wrong. 'Twas ever thus! But this time we won't have any microbes on our side??