Hawaii Wants Second Chance In Open Carry Court Case

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  1. rover77

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    Even if the ninth circuit court of appeals agrees to a full en banc hearing and overturn its own initial ruling, Brett Kavanaugh will more than likely be seated by then. Once the matter is appealed to the united state supreme court, it is unlikely that the case will actually be turned away for review, and it is even more unlikely that the court will side with the state of Hawaii on the matter.

    It would be easier, more practical, and more cost effective, for the state of Hawaii to simply give up now, just as the district of columbia did on the matter, and assume shall-issue status of its own volition.
     
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    I lived in Hawaii for a couple of years. I am a gun owner, and a believer in gun rights, but if open carry were to be approved there, it would be abused by the populace almost immediately.
     
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    The majority of the rest of the states in the united states are not experiencing any significant issues with the open carrying of firearms being legal for the law-abiding populace to engage in. There is little reason to believe the same trend would not be experienced in the state of Hawaii if such were to come about.

    Pray tell, exactly what would amount to abuse by the populace in this particular case?
     
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    You've never spent any amount of time in Ha'waii, obviously.

    "The majority of the rest of the states" means nothing when discussing the 50th state. It is it's own world, it's own Pacific Island Kingdom. Yes, it is technically American soil, but it isn't, really.

    There is seething distaste for "haolies" bubbling just beneath the surface. Couple that with the level of alcoholism in the native population, and you're just asking for trouble if you strap a gun to every waist in the islands.

    But, hey, it will make the NRA happy, amiright?
     
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    So Hawaii has a racism problem? As well as the natives having self control issues?
     
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    Oh, buddy, it's so much more than that.
     
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    To curtail everyone else's Constitutional Rights because a small group of drunken savages, yeah not a fan of that.
     
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    Feel free to elaborate. There's no cost to post actual content.
     
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    Well now, in nearly every instance where state have opened up to allow CC or gone Constitutional carry there have been dire warnings of blood in the streets; still waiting.
    Ohio isn’t completely Constitutional Carry, only recently having allow CC with a permit, but open carry has always been legal. When there I never noticed people walking around strapped though it was legal. I note the same in other states where open carry is legal... few, almost none tend to walk about strapped.
     
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    We're talking open carry here, not an assault on the RKBA.
     
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    Again, you are making the mistake of assuming that the indigenous population in Ha'waii is amalgamous with the population of the other 49 states.

    That is simply not the case.
     
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    if it does go to the SCOTUS it would be rejected.

    Thomas, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh would not be enough. They need 4.
     
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    Abused how.
     
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    The correct pronunciation is owaii.

    Technically it is, being a state.

    What's stopping them from carrying guns now.
     
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    I'm not paying for my next post.

    Don't try to stop me.

    Watch this.

    I am Spartacus.
     
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    No it isn't. huh-WAH-ee = Hawaii

    https://inogolo.com/pronunciation/d379/Hawaii

    No, it really isn't. Not in the way Alabama or California are states.

    I'll take State Law for $100, Alex.
     
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    Any way that open carry can be abused. Take your pick.
     
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    No I don't understand.

    There's nothing stopping them from abusing them now.

    Why would they be more abused if those legally allowed to carry them concealed could start carrying them openly.
     
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    He's not an explainer.
     
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    Fraid not, I knew three guys from owaii in the military, and lived there for 6 years when I was a teen. Two of the three were island natives.

    It's different. Still, technically it's a US state. You're the one who used the word "technically".

    Oh so guys who might be inclined to shoot other people are stopped by the law that says they can't carry guns illegally then.
     
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    He's a can't explainer.
     
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    I'm not in the habit of trying to explain things to a box of rocks whose mind is clearly already set in stone.

    You know, pigeons, something something, chess, something something...
     
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    Oh I'm familiar with what you're projecting.

    You are unable to explain why people who are inclined to murder others are prevented from doing so because they're afraid of being caught with a gun.

    Which of those crimes carries the more serious penalties again?

    Is it the murder or is it carrying a gun?
     

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