Here are the lawmakers calling for gun control in the wake of Florida shooting

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  1. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    What? How about a rational response.
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You did not answer the question. Start over.
     
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    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    So, in other words, no you cannot explain this obvious hypocrisy.
     
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    :applause:
     
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    It isn't purely about stopping abortion. we have murder laws on the books now. Should we abolish them because murder still happens? We should condemn homicides like abortion whether women continue to commit them or not. On the gun issue, we already outlaw gun violence. What the left wants to do is punish law abiding citizens who happen to own guns.

    The left's hate mongering has a lot to do with the increase in violence in our society. And their love for criminal behavior demonstrated by glorifying gang violence.
     
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    on the other hand we have normalized behavior that most other countries recognize as indicative of mental illness, so there is that.
     
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    Eliminate gun violence through gun laws? Dumb straw man. Reduce gun violence? Yes. If you make it harder for crazy people to buy a gun, fewer crazy people will get away with buying guns. Similarly, if you make it harder for women to get abortions fewer will get abortions.
     
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    you know, just not buying it. Abortion is the only homicide allowed at will without oversight or review by anyone. There is no logical reason for this. Gun violence is always investigated and the vast majority of times results in charges.

    Visit the abortion forum. Most abortion proponents say the fewer laws the better, so the contradiction absolutely exists.

     
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    what part of the term "reduce" don't you understand?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, Supreme Court has only upheld the right to an abortion up to the 2nd trimester.

    They must be performed by licensed, trained professionals.

    "without oversight or review by anyone"??????????? my ass.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    its a society issue when it leads to frequent dangers to public safety.
     
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    That's a bit of a stretch. But certainly we (the left) have demonised 'old fashioned values' to the point that many parent in opposition to these things. We teach our kids that marriage isn't essential, sex before marriage is just great, and that they're all potential 'artistic geniuses', just needing to a lucky break to realise our stardom. Luck being preferred to hard work. We're teaching kids that 'following your dreams' (regardless of how unrealistic and/or self-indulgent those dreams are) is more important than anything, and that 'being yourself' is more important than the harmony and stability of your group/family. We're teaching them that they can be who/what ever they want to be - in the personal sense, and that society will enable this. We tell them all these things, and then we sit down with a glass of beer/wine, and ignore them.
     
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    It starts and ends with the family. That's where it's born, and that's where it should die.
     
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    The aborted fetus may feel a tad differently...
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    thats your opinion.

    i however believe society has a responsibility to care for its own
     
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    I am just correcting your assertion first.

    The law that I support most is the "license to purchase" system. You can obtain a license that allows you to purchase firearms immediately if you have completed firearm safety training, taken a background check, and (this part being the biggest stretch) completed a psychological evaluation. This law has been tied to a 40% reduction in firearm homicides in Connecticut and the repeal of this system has been tied to a 25% increase in firearm homicides in Missouri.
     
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    Abortion is not homicide.
     
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    A woman having an abortion isn't homocide.
    Yet if that same woman gets attacked on her way into the clinic, and the baby dies, the attacker gets charged with murder.
    Odd isn't it?
     
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    Abortion is Homicide

    Definition of homicide
    1 : a person who kills another
    2 : a killing of one human being by another


    and if you don't believe the unborn are human you are a science denier because the unborn meets every scientific criteria of being an alive individual human
     
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    Absolutely incorrect.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    by the definition, killing a 1-day old embryo is a homicide.

    LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Yep fits perfectly.
    Read the Unborn Victims of Violence Act. Protects "children in utero at any stage of development".

    Federal Law calls them children and protects them against being murdered by anyone but their own mother(for some odd reason)


     
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    if you don't believe the unborn are human you are a science denier because the unborn meets every scientific criteria of being an alive individual human
     
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    You should stop and think before posting embarrassing crap like that. Abortions never happen when the baby is one day old. Maybe you shouldnt post from happy hour.

     
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