Here are the lawmakers calling for gun control in the wake of Florida shooting

Are you equating homocide with murder??

 

its murder if the reason for killing another isn't self defense

 

So are you saying that more of our nut cases have guns than other civilized countries?

 

So when the state executes a criminal who had been convicted of murder is that murder by the state?

 

there is no correlation that proves that
yes traffic fatalities did decline but continued to decline when they raised the speed limits to 65 and 70 many believe it was seat belt laws and safer vehicles that contributed to the decline in fatalities not speed limit

 

Maybe it did I do not recall that but it did raise blood pressure for us normal people who could not drive at 55. So did it actually cause some of us to have heart problems dealingbwith the " I drive 55" idiots.

 

Right after the 55 MPH idiocy airbags started being used and better seat belts etc... I bet that the "I drive55" idiots were the cause of road rage.

 

not sure. Why is it incumbent on anyone not in law enforcement to solve that problem?

it's not the NRA's job to be police.

will the u.s. also exceeds population and much of the Civilized world so it would make sense that we have more people that would do this sort of thing we have more people.

Our murder rate is very low.

I don't believe that mental illness is necessarily to blame.

good for him cutting spending that's why we voted for him.

again yay for cutting spending.

I would say you. If you're automatically stripped of Rights for being mentally ill mentally ill people are already stigmatized now if we want to make them second-class citizens that will make it even less likely for them to seek help.

 

Since more Americans have guns that folks in other advanced nations, and our permissive laws allow more nut cases to acquire guns far more easily than in other advanced nations, that would account for the astronomical level of firearm massacres inflicted by nut cases with firearms in America.

Of course, if those who support the permissiveness have alternative solutions to the astronomical rate of firearm massacres in America, it is incumbent upon them to offer them.

 

Unless you are pleading impotence in the matter, what steps would you institute to reduce the astronomical level of firearm massacres in America?

We, as a society, owe it to all the grieving parents to demonstrate we take the untenable situation seriously.

 

An assault rifle ban is one of the most idiotic arguments there is it is nothing but an argument from the platform of ignorance

This is what gun grabbing liberals call a so called assault rifle which they demand being banned


this is what they call a hunting rifle they feel is safe to own



guess what they are the same dam rifle both are Mini-14 .223 caliber same round as the infamous AR-15
they both have the same power same rate of fire same .223 caliber same magazines can be fitted to both nothing different but cosmetics
but you want one banned and the other to continued to be allowed to be purchased
proving how ignorant the so called assault weapon ban argument is

 

our murder rate is really low and falling.

But as to reduce the number further I would say keep doing what we're doing because it's working.

I disagree.

 

You need to go by ammunition type, function, and not "style".

BTW the picture of the mini14 you showed there must be the one with only a 5 round mag right?

There are many other versions with man sized mags.
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...EeA76IJrVR2PsMY2f1Tqh_c=&docid=wjP2dO8Rc0SpEM

 

Exctllent now you have educated them, both can be banned.

In the UK if you could provide reason for owning a .223 that isn't self defence and a verified safe place to use it, you could own one of these as long as it was disabled from automatic fire.

But only one for each purpose. So one .223 for fox hunting. Or one .223 for target shooting.
This is the A Team gun however so it can't actually kill anyone.

 

so basically you want all semi automatic weapons baned the so called assault weapon ban is a charade

 

I'm not sure whether or not I want that. But that is the law here. And we have no school massacres. So I am confident that this system of gun control ticks the boxes I want to see ticked in America.,

I actually want all the biggest and coolest guns, but just other people not to be allowed them.

I don't really see any pressing need for automatics. My experience is if I miss on the first shot, I miss on all the follow up shots too.

I don't deeply fret about the difference between full and semi automatic in a rifle. I use semi automatic on my .22LR for rabbit warrens. I use full auto on submachine guns but i shoot in bursts. Mainly I have no practical use for multiple shots to speak of. It's just for entertainment purposes. Assault rifle with burst fire or full auto, or just semi. No biggie. All the same to me.
At those calibres I prefer a bolt action. Since I am banned from automatic fire anyway.

 

because we Americans view our second amendment rights as not just the right to hunt or target practice but the right to be able to defend our selves and many times that could include multiable attackers which a single shot or bolt action wouldn't be ideal

 

But are you planning to defend yourself from multiple attackers on the horizon?
This isn't the right weapons system otherwise.

But essentially it is the link between guns and killing people that you should be attempting to break.
The whole self defence thing? Uh huh.

I would be allowed to use a non repeating version of that rifle for self defence, but I would not be able to buy it for that purpose. I would need to have a proper use for it to get the lisence.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but wouldn't a shotgun be more appropriate for defence?
300 metres seems well a bit unlikely a scenario. The hall in my house is only 100 feet long. Most houses are smaller than mine. That bullet will pass through the wall of your house and end up in your neighbours house. It's unsafe.

I think your second amendment needs some amending if you don't mind my saying. Civil war has ended. Centuries have passed.
I've spent some time in America, I have never felt the need for a gun to defend myself. And don't expect any scenarios with multiples of enemies. It's like a fantasy.
Has it ever happened that you needed an assault rifle to defend yourself? To you personally or anyone you know?
I find this very hard to believe.

 

Can you stop insulting me and debate the topic? I don't know anyone in a militia, and I'm not paranoid. Throughout history the first step to tyrany is disarmament. We are too powerful to risk it.

 

Exactly the point. We are armed to the teeth.

 

Yeah. Was hilarious every time it has occurred.

 

We're not and we've had no despots either.
Fantasy island. i have a gun and i am a hero defending America.
No. Just a numpty with a gun and a head full of self importance because if it.

Whoopdy doo. You can kills someone if you don't like their politics.
Great. How much safer you country is for it. Crankies with guns.

 

Nearly all of the rights require you obtain a license in certain situations (permits to protest, broadcast licenses to do radio, file the paperwork to become a 501(3)c recognized church, etc.).

And none of those rights result in thousands of US deaths every year.

 

You guys should make 2018 a referendum on Gun Control.

Nikolas Cruz is only the latest in a long line of fatherless boys bent on destruction.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2724439/