Hillary Clinton did NOT win the popular vote

You really don't know how this whole system works.

 

Of course I do Roy, if you think what I've typed is mistaken then you are wrong once again.

 

it just means Trump lost the popular vote, nothing more, more people wanted Clinton to win.. that is just fact, but by our system Trump won... just like Bush jr did

and yep, that will go in the history books

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Which is an irrelevant stat that your side keeps bringing up as if it means more than it does.

 

Well let me give you an example of why I say you're wrong.

http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/new-york/

If you look at the map you would think that Trump won the state. He didn't 59.5% to 35.2% yet the whole state seems red but Clinton won the popular vote and therefore the electoral votes.
If they counted counties (like states) Trump would have won the state but......he didn't. If you know NY you would see that the population centers (like the U.S.) voted Clinton.

 

There are a bunch of unknowables. Back in 2000 when the polls were still open in the Florida panhandle, a heavy Republican panhandle, the media announced Gore had won Florida. How many Bush voters stayed home knowing or thinking the media had it right. Without that announcement, perhaps there would have been no need for any recounts in Florida. Unknowable.

But to this election, it is unknowable to gauge how many Sanders supporters stayed home due to the rigging of the Democratic primaries in Clinton's favor. A lot of them didn't take kindly to that. My grand daughter in college was a huge Sanders supporter. She didn't vote, she didn't like the choice of "Wall Street Hillary," her name for Clinton or the racist Trump.

According to the exit polls, only 31% of those who voted were of the independent or non-affiliated nature. According to Gallup independents made up 40% of the electorate, so we know looking at those numbers quite a lot of independents stayed home and didn't vote mainly because they hated both candidates. Now the numbers tell us the Democratic base which makes up 32% of the electorate made up 36% of the total vote due independents staying home. Sounds good for the Democrats huh? But not when you look at the Republican base which compromises 27% of the electorate, but made up 33% of those who voted. The numbers show the GOP base added six points to where the Democrats added 4 points. A higher turnout for the GOP base percentage wise than the Democratic base. Perhaps it was all those Sanders supporters who didn't vote that made the difference, letting the GOP base cut a 5 point margin down to 3.

Unknowable for certain, but in my opinion a good assumption. But you know what assuming does, assumption can make an ass of oneself.

 

When the majority of voters did not even vote for you, you can't claim your agenda has a mandate. Trump's agenda is opposed by the majority of American voters.

 

Trump won the electoral college.

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So what? I get it... of the popular votes cast, Hillary got more than Trump. You understand that a possible, even likely, reason for that is that over 2.5 million republicans in heavily blue states stayed home because they KNEW their vote wouldn't count. New York and California are particular bad places for Republicans to vote since they are, for all practical purposes, entirely locked out from having any influence on the result.

 

Wrong. The Majority of States voted for Trump, and he received the Majority of the Electoral votes.

Not sure whos system you are using as your template, but it's not the one we use here.

 

The founding fathers were geniuses. Over 200 years ago foresaw a situation like we found ourselves prior to the 2016 election. Half of the country had been left behind, left to whither; and the electoral college came through for them. Great system.

 

Those states and electors do not represent the actual popular vote in America.

A majority of voters rejected Trump. He has no political mandate.

 

It doiesnt have to. We don't run our system on a popular vote. it's been this way since 1787 Questerr. Nothing but sour grapes to complain about it now.

No, this system was setup so that ALL states in this "Union of States" have a reason to participate, rather than the entire thing follow the lead of California or some other overpopulated state.

A majority of States elected him, and kept the House and Senate firmly in Republican hands. This is a mandate. If people had confidence or liking to what the left has been pushing down Americas throats, this would not have happened. Spin that however you need to to avoid letting it sink in, but America rejected your ideas soundly.
Time to start putting America and her people first again.

 

Is the problem that you don't understand what the phrase "political mandate" means?

The majority of Americans rejected Trump. The majority reject your side. You are basically the Bolsheviks right now, claiming to be the majority when actually your side is smaller.

 

I know what it means, I think the problem is that YOU do not. Here is the definition for you, since you obviously need it.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Political+Mandate

Now in our system, this authority has been granted (since 1787) by the Electoral College. Trump won this mandate from the people...as did the Senate and House Republicans.

Another spot where you are wrong. the majority "of Americans" didn't even vote...much less reject anyone.

Wrong again. I'm sure you can see where you are, once again, wrong.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=How+many+voted



Hmmm....61 Million plus 63 Million..heck lets round up to 62 and 64 million. Whats that quester, 126 Million? Whats the population of the United States again? 318 Million?

Majority Questerr? Just take your false info, and sour grapes and go away. You have nothing to say here of worth.

 

Oh for f_ck sake, the popular vote only counts those who actually voted. Is it not apparent in the name??

 

You can say the same thing about Clintoni votes in Alabama, Ga, Miss., Arkansas, Oklahoma, Idaho, SC, VW, Tenn, Kentucky, Nirth and South Datkota, Alaska, .....etc...


You are just farting in the wind with such a nonsense thread.

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LOL and LICE Trump said it was rigged ha ha

 

It is a liberal excuse to deny Trump's diverse economic mandate.

 

Trump won the popular vote of the Electoral College. That is what counts.

 

Oh my a whining Trump fan crying wa wa wewe wo wo! You want a crying towel ? You probably would be first Little Trumpeizda to call Clinton' s whiners snowflakes but look at you melting like a little snowflake in your own tears crying boo hoo Trumpeizda babies didn't want to go vote because LICE Trump wouldn't win in NY. Oh boo boo!

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Oh my a whining Trump fan crying wa wa wewe wo wo! You want a crying towel ? You probably would be first Little Trumpeizda to call Clinton' s whiners snowflakes but look at you melting like a little snowflake in your own tears crying boo hoo Trumpeizda babies didn't want to go vote because LICE Trump wouldn't win in NY. Oh boo boo boo hoo .

 

Another alt realty thread.

 

Great, send her a Christmas card.

 

Your entire argument is ludicrous. Here's why.

The same thing could be said of Hillary voters. In fact, the same thing can be said of every election since there is never a 100% voter turnout. So in reality, we either accept voting as our way of providing for the succession of politicians, or we don't.

And if we do, we not only must accept the vote as the determiner, but must also recognize that Hillary won the vote by a large margin.

 

But California is so out of step with the rest of America that Californians are unpopular so that would mean that the 8.7 million votes Hillary got were unpopular votes.

Where as Donald Trump received 4.4 million of the votes of popular Americans in California who aren't kooks or loons and are in step with the rest of America.

 

Donald Trump won the popular vote if you subtract all the illegal alien voters, legal alien (but ineligible) voters, fraud votes, double voting, voting in multiple precincts/counties/states, dead voters and ineligible felons.

Subtracting the 3 million plus illegal alien votes alone makes Trump the winner by 200,000. Wait until next election after we deport all the illegals.