Hillary declares victory over Benghazi panel, pivots to bash P P ‘witch hunt'

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  1. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I actually liked Trump, initially - but he's going off course. Aside from him the GOP is crap. I did like O'Malley but he didn't impress me in the debate. I don't like Sanders because his policies are idealistic and not rational to some extent. I don't like Hillary much either. Not sure who I'm going to vote for.
     
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    What the libs here seem to forget is not only was congress and the American people watching this but a large staff of FBI investigators and lawyers who have yet to be heard from. In no way has she been cleared.
     
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    Do I think Hillary messed up and tried to cover for it ? Possibly. But in politics, this is an everyday thing. I'm not saying Hillary isn't culpable for what happened that day - but it's a messed up, complex situation and it's impossible to get everything right.

    I don't see why she would intentionally ignore all these please for further security. Are you asserting she wanted the attack to happen ?
     
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    No, and nobody can make the claim she didn't and call it factual. I'm pointing out that a lefty says something and some people are so caught up in politics that they take it as gospel. So caught up in politics that they'll risk destroying the country just to have someone with a D next to their name with the best chance of winning for them. Does she really stand for what you believe in?
     
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    Seems he has a different definition of sex just like Bill. A blow job does not constitute sexual relations in their book.
     
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    Sadly she is not. This was completely legal for her to do. STUPID, but completely legal. I agree it should be illegal, but it was not when she did it. And Im sure you have noticed that congress, and/or the State Department hasn't made it illegal even today (stupid f'rs)

    Thats conjecture. She has been vetted by 8 committees and they all said that she was using the intelligence that was out at the time. If you want to blame someone, blame the intelligence community.

    Again, all due respect, but she has stated, and it has been vetted that she never saw these requests. She is not responsible for approving these requests, nor even vetting those requests. These happen daily in the 80,000 plus Foreign Services division of the State Department. This would be like John Stumpf (President of Wells Fargo) approving new locks on the doors at a satellite office. Those approvals happen below him.

    If you show me a fact that proves this I am willing to listen. Seriously, I would love to see one, but the facts (not the spin) that have come out of the last 8 committees exonerates her

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    He wasnt supposed to . Is that so hard to understand ?

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    So you admit she is incompetent ?
     
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    So it was a Youtube video that caused residents in Benghazi to protest and kill Americans? Because that's what my post was in reference to. She blatantly lied about it. If she'll lie about that to everyone, why wouldn't she lie further to cover that one up? If people start believing your lies, you tell more to make it appear like you're telling the truth because you don't want to be distrusted.

    Even a disciplined 10 year old knows that if you lie, you confess and apologize to achieve forgiveness. She's 67, why can't she do it? Why would we put a liar in the white house? Because she's a girl? That (*)(*)(*)(*) only flies to the hardcore lefties. And I'm not referring to you, I don't know where your politics are.
     
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    How many requests like that do they get in a day ? hence, they have an entire department dedicated to this.

    c'mon, seriously ? She is a DIPLOMAT. The security is handled by a separate department who understands the region/country the request is for, has current up to date intelligence etc. These are people trained in knowing what they need to know to make the decision at hand. And they do this for all 80,000 employees in their service.

    I know 600 requests sounds like a lot, but remember that there are 80,000 plus foreign service employees. Now do you still think that those requests all sit in a qeue waiting for one person to approve ?
     
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    Well let's see what the FBI comes up with. If this wasn't serious, they wouldn't be investigating. I truly believe she lied but we'll see what comes up.
     
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    Actually todays her birthday so shes 68.
     
  12. Thirty6BelowZero

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    Trump just needs to get off Carson's nuts. He's a little soft on foreign policy too, but not as soft as the left candidates.
     
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    OK, I'll explain when they misidentify the reason FIRST then correct it that is a misidentification.

    When they know the real reason, related that folks they want, then misidentify that reason to the public......that's called a LIE!

    In August BEFORE the the truth came out about her knowing it was a terrorist attack and still blamed the internet video. I think her honesty and trustworthiness polls will hit 65% - 70% by the end of the year. You need a new candidate.
     
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    that does look like the republican party doesn't it, you think the republican party will ever recover from the tea party nuts that have taken over the party?

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    Ill be clear here, I'm NOT a Hillary fan. She's a politician. I rarely believe politicians. But what I do know is that this incident has been vetted 8 different times with the same outcome every time. 8 times, and 5 of those committees were heavily partisan against her.

    I do not like Hillary and she does not stand for what I believe. But I won't throw anyone under a bus unless the facts support it.
     
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    the difference between us is that i'm telling the truth

    so, keep up the good work


    your feigned indignation really is quite amusing


    you can't seem to get anything right
     
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    No, I don't know what she wanted and the public will never find out. It was election year so possibly to blame Republicans for cutting the budget like a couple people here keep saying, even though Congress was mainly democrat. I just want to know how she got a request for milk, fuel, and medicine for Libyans and responded within four minutes, but missed over 600 requests for more security by a man she stated knew Benghazi better than anyone else, and happened to be a very close friend of hers.
     
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    No, I listened to both the questions and her answers. I have been listening for so long to all of the Republican lies, that it was quite refreshing to have someone sit there and (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)-slap them right between the eyes with the truth, the same truth that has been on the record for months and years. And had that meeting not been public, for everyone to see, the lies would have continued. But, stubborn things that they are, the facts still haven't changed, no matter how desperately the Repubs would wish it so. But, since cons do love their lies, I notice they continue as if that hearing never happened. <sigh>
     
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    He gets a high five for his adultery.
     
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    Wrong again. There were not over 600 requests for security by Ambassador Stevens.
     
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    she wanted for people to hear the truth

    and see how petty, ridiculous and dishonest republicans are

    her mission was quite a successful one
     
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    There definitely were conflicting stories coming out during the immediate aftermath of the attacks, which really doesn't prove anything other than that the administration couldn't get its story straight.

    As far as I know, last week's hearing was the first time when we saw any hard evidence showing that the administration knew right away that the anti-Islam video was never responsible for the attack and that there never was a protest at the consulate. As for Mrs. Clinton's testimony, I don't know that the language she used in 2013 rises to the level of outright perjury, although one can only wonder why she was still yammering about the video months after the attack when she knew it had nothing to do with what transpired in Benghazi.

    I don't think all the evidence led to that conclusion in the past and the revelations produced in last week's hearings point to the administration knowing that the video and non-existent protest were never responsible for the attack all along. This is just part and parcel of the administration's unwillingness from the time that preceded the attacks to be open and honest about what was happening in Libya, what happened in Benghazi and how that all tied in with our country's fight against al Qaeda and its jihadist co-travelers. Since Obama was up for re-election and Clinton had her own political fortunes to protect, the administration decided on purely political grounds to mislead the public about the situation in Libya, the attack in Benghazi and the resurgence of jihadist groups and their Islamist supporters. If they had been open and forthright and actually done more than pay lip service to accountability, we wouldn't be having this conversation today.
     
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    OK, even if she didn't want the public to find out - so what ? What politicians doesn't have skeletons in the closet ? But the issue for me is the fact that it happened. It was a smaller version of 9/11 and our leadership failed us. I didn't demand Bush be taken to the woodshed because 9/11 happened. I don't see why Hillary needs to.

    I understand you're upset because there were calls for additional security that went unheeded, but like I said, this happens in our complex world. I think Hillary realized she screwed up, tried to damage control and that's that.
     
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    Recover? Since the tea party's existence they've taken control of the House, Senate and the White House in 2016. You should be asking, with all the corruption the public can see in the Obama administration will the Democrat party even exist in 10 years?
     
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    The vast majority of people do NOT like being lied to. Besides Bush had 9 months to stop 9/11, Clinton had 2 full years....he owns it.

    600 calls for additional security. If Hillary needed damage control as SOS, she had absolutely no business being President.
     
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