HOBBY LOBBY owner 'installs' BIBLE curriculum in PUBLIC SCHOOLS in OK

What's ESTABLISHED? Which religion is now the state religion?

 

Christianity.

 

The Constitution is the foundation of the country. That's what it was meant to be, and that's what it says.

Why don't you clear up exactly what you mean once and for all, if you think I have you wrong: Is the constitution based on Christian principles? Yes/no?

 

Go troll someone else, little man.

 

Established as STATE RELIGION?

Utterly foolish.

 

Christianity is too feminine a religion. As an assertive male, I would choose Islam.

 

Well, God is on our money, and in the pledge of allegiance. The Bible was in every classroom of the founding fathers, but many people don't seem to care about any of that type of precedence. I wonder why?

 

Really? I think you are projecting your own pettiness and refusal to see the truth!

I see at least two comments from Radio Refugee that totally support Happy fun dude's statement:

And:

Get real!

 

The pledge of allegiance was NOT written with the reference to God, but that LAST addition to the pledge of allegiance only appeared in 1954.. . .and, by the way, it doesn't say "Christian God!"

 

As I said, state religion is established in policy, not by slapping a 'Christian' sticker on the front of the Capitol building.

 

I have no doubt that it will only be an elective. In fact, your own cited article says so. When you have proof otherwise, feel free to present it.

Although Green believes in the bible, keep in mind that he's not going to be in the classrooms. The stated objective, to "study the narrative, history, and impact of the Bible on Western Civilization" is quite pertinent, as it gives context to history. It would increase understanding of WHY certain things happened, what was going on in people's minds. The impact of the bible on Western civilization is not trivial.

 

I see no problem with that just so long as it is taught as a component of a general comparative theology class, and not preached as dogma. If people want their children preached at there are places reserved for that called churches. Religious dogma has no place in school where education is the keyword, not indoctrination.

 

Because it is archaic, irrelevant, divisive and wholly inappropriate within a modern secular nation. That's why.

 

I'm thinking of it as a literature class in much the same as a class that focuses on Shakespearean drama. It would simply introduced stories of the Bible without any commentary on its validity. Like it or not, it has had a massive impact on Western literature, and one can't fully appreciate Western Literature without some knowledge of the Bible. Either way, religion sneaks its way into literature class. Beowulf, Chaucer, Shakespeare, Marlowe, Bradstreet, Taylor, Coleridge, Shelley, Hawthorne, Poe, Twain (just to spout off a few)--all make allusion in their writing again and again to the Bible.

 

Again, I have no issue with the above whatsoever just as long as we are describing teaching about the Bible and not teaching the Bible.

 

We agree

Is offering an elective course on the historical value of the bible "imposing" religion on anyone?

Because this is what we are talking about here.

I continually hear liberals say "freedom from religion". So, is the expectation that the public school system should be disallowed to offer an elective course?

 

Christians are realizing that absent indoctrination at a early age, their bs is being rejected. If current trends continue, by 2130, less that 1% of Americans will self identify as christian. They know it, and it scares the crap out of them. THAT is why they're desperate to spread indoctrination.

When you look at it from an outsiders perspective, christianity is utterly ridiculous.

Got created man. Man is evil. Oops. God kills nearly every human in a flood we know to a scientific certainty never happened to fix the problem. It doesn't fix the problem. Oops. God rapes a teenager to give birth to himself so that man can kill god, which enables a situation where man can be saved from god.

Dafuq??

 

Only from the perspective of constitutional illiterates.

 

Your whole comment is ridiculous! I have never said that the freedom FROM religion met that Churches couldn't be built, or that people should be forbidden from wearing crosses, or to veil their head!

And, it is obvious that anyone is free to practice THEIR religion (including Muslims!) or NO religion! And, that people who are atheists have the right to EXPRESS in anyway they choose their NON believe in God. . .EVEN IF it is offensive to the hyper-religious crowd!

But freedom FROM religion means that NO LAWS should be made based on ANY religions.

By the way. . .I am "officially" a Christian. . .but I do not practice any "organized" religion as I believe they are not "God" made, but MEN made and that, instead of uniting people they continue to divide people in ever smaller niches!

And. . .As the Damai Lama puts it: "God has no religion!"

 

So, in response to this thread, you would support the elective coarse to study the historical value of the bible?

 

if done from a purely non-biased historical view, I would support it... the thing is.. I doubt many Christians could teach it in such a way

should schools also offer a 4 yeah Muslims mythology classes, Scientology,, Mormonism... ect... the answer is yes, all or none

personally a 4 year world religions course would probably be better, 4 years leaves a lot of time to fill

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I believe that children (and adults apparently) should first learn the basics (like how to spell "course?"), then they should be old enough and mature enough to make their OWN choice, rather than having it imposed on them by parents, Church, or peer pressure. And that goes for everything.

This "elective" is fine IF it remains a TRUE elective and doesn't teach hatred or misrepresent other beliefs. It should also include the teaching of OTHER religions, not just the "favorite flavor" of the Christian Right.

 

Great.

Until you can prove that anything is being forced, or that the teaching doesn't mis-represent other beliefs, then we can all assume you support the idea.

Win one for the Green family.

 

if any other religion like Wiccans, Muslims, Jews, Mormons, Scientology, ect... ask for the same time to "teach" their history, and it's denied, then the Christian class would also need to be denied, all or none

 

Actually, there have been plenty of lawsuits against these things. However, the chrisitan right still holds more than enough influence over the legal system and the courts.