Holes shaped like planes?

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  1. EggKiller

    EggKiller Well-Known Member

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    I don't claim to be a pilot but I highly doubt one needs to do a WWII dive bomb to create extra speed over max sustained level flight speed,,whatever that may be. All you really need to do is a casual decent to lessen the energy required to fight gravity, just like in a car. It goes faster downhill than on level ground. You need not drive over a cliff to see that effect.

    I'd also contend that any extra speed attained while in a decent could be at least be somewhat maintained during post decent level flight. No science to back that up just gut feelings on the matter.

    So, in essence the jackers wouldn't have been required to do some crazy stunt dive to reach those speeds. Also it seems at least one of the planes was banking to the left fairly hard upon impact disproving your conjecture the jackers would have done everything possible to maintain accurate flight steering.

    I think we should remember, even if one or both of the planes missed WTC a crash into the city itself might have been even more devastating as far as body count goes. Many people had a chance to escape the area after the crashes because the buildings were able to absorb the destruction of impact for some time. Lesser,older buildings in the area would not have fared so well and there would be no ground for the survivors to flee too. JMO

    Which video of flight 175 looks level to you? Pretty hard to offer analysis of anything when you don't know the angles between plane and camera.
     
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    and as for the science, the atmosphere is significantly
    thicker at sea level than at 35,000 ft, also the air resistance
    goes up by the CUBE ( that is X^3 ) of the velocity.

    Just a bit if info for your gut-level feeling on the subject.
     
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    Incorrect. Look up the example of China Airlines 006. It exceeded 650 MPH with only three engines, and made a full recovery.
     
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    Understand all that, doesn't change reality at any level.
     
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    Just to go over this, in the range between 300 & 600 mph
    the velocity being doubled but the air resistance has increased
    by 8 times what it was at the slower speed.

    No matter where you go, there you are.
     
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    You are hopeless. It is entirely possible no matter your amount of disbelief.
     
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    Note that I am not stating "incredulity"
    I'm stating the facts about the physics of
    trying to accelerate & maintain velocity
    at lower altitude(s) ......

    are you trying to promote incredulity
    about the physical reality of the conditions
    that "FLT175" would have to encounter if
    it was a real flight. ?
     
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    Show your math, link to a source. Prove that it's impossible, as you claim. You have been given specific examples that it isn't impossible. Stop ducking and make your case.
     
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    WHY should I, all I've seen so far is
    people saying that it was possible
    for an airliner to be flown as was the
    alleged "FLT175" but no PROOF.
    what is going on around here?
     
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    You feel you can just make your claim and not support it?

    You made a direct statement about physics. Can you or can you not provide evidence for that claim?
     
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    The direct evidence in the fact of a finite limit for
    the max speed of an airliner at <1000 ft altitude
    is in the fact that the air resistance goes up by
    the cube of the velocity and the fact that the
    air is denser at sea level than at 35,000 ft.
    now people can go and grind out many pages
    of numbers and you will arrive at the same place
    that is "FLT175" was impossible for a multitude of
    reasons.
     
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    Then explain how Eygpt Air accomplished it.
     
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    please take note that Egypt air is no longer with us.
    that flight destroyed the aircraft. and there is in fact
    a defined point along the trajectory when the flight
    recorder stopped recording, most probably because
    the aircraft broke apart at that point.

    Lets just for a moment .... just for the sake of argument
    accept that the aircraft could manage to stay together
    at such high speed, do you know for guaranteed certain
    that the aircraft would respond to control in a manner that
    would permit the hijackers to hit their targets?
    Remember, flying an airliner way outside its normal flight
    parameters carries with it the condition that the pilot is
    in totally uncharted territory, what would happen to an
    airliner if it were flown that fast and so low?
    is anyone willing to bet, not only their own life
    but the opportunity to cultivate favor with Allah
    on an experiment where the majority of the variables
    are unknown?
     
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    You are dodging the question and changing the subject again. You have made a claim: kindly provide the proof of your claim.
     
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    Proof of my claim is in my posting ......
    enjoy.
     
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    Being incredulous is not proof.
     
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    You can take it on faith if you wish. Reasonable people look for evidence.
     
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    and the evidence is available if you would look at it.
    WHY should it be that the airliner penetrate the wall
    as was alleged rather than behaving like a hollow point
    projectile?
     
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    Questions aren't evidence.
     
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    Omg you've completed another full revolution. Hint, hollow points penetrate steel all the time. You really need a new analogy.
     
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    Hollow points penetrate steel all the time,
    Please enlighten me as to exactly how that happens,
    titanium hollow point?

    - - - Updated - - -

    Perhaps the loyal opposition can enlighten me as
    to how it can be justified, that is the penetration of
    the WTC wall as alleged by the "FLT175" airliner.
     
  22. EggKiller

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    C'mon Bob we've danced through this circle twice already. Lead core, copper jacketed bullets penetrate steel quite easily given enough velocity. Hollow point or not doesn't make much difference.
     
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    Obviously you do not then understand what a HOLLOW POINT
    projectile is or does.
     
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    Bob, I build fuggin bullets. I'm a competitive shooter in International BenchRest using custom cartridges and projectiles designed for nothing but accuracy. You cannot buy the cartridges I use in any gun store. It is all custom. I know what I'm talking about Bob. Velocity creates penetration. Even terrorists know that.
     
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    OK, so riddle me this, what does a hollow point projectile do
    when fired at 870 f/s and it hits a target?

    For that matter, did you catch the Myth Busters episode where
    they fired high velocity ammo into water?
     
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