Circumcision was and still is for some part of tradition or religion. I gave that example to demonstrate to you that being circumcised doesn't mean that one follows the god of abraham. I'm not. I'm exposing Islam for what it really is. You on the other hand, Mr Saudi man, are here to spread lies in the hope that we'll drop our defense and be sway by your sugar coated story and put asleep until it is too late to do anything about it. You should keep your strength instead... You'll need it when the next crusade comes around.
Abraham circumcised every man in his household.. He told them about his God. Keturah bore Abraham six sons, Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah. Are you threatening me or is that just trash talk?
Sorry, but the god of the Hebrews has no known name. The tetragrammaton of YHWH was an unpronounceable placeholder used in Hebrew texts to represent the god whose name was never said, it is NOT a name, it is NOT a word, it is just nonsense symbols. Actually, some lines of historical study suggest the letters are the first letters in the names of FOUR of the Hebrew gods, while others suggest it is a reference to the 4 worlds mentioned in Hebrew texts. The whole concept of them being the name of god is 13 century christian apologetic nonsense.
Hmm... the true intentions of this thread are getting more and more obvious. A pity the 'criticism' of Islam takes such a low form of halftruths and hyperbole.
It didn't say, what it did say is that God personally communicated with both of them. "Jubail Christian Church is one of the oldest still remaining church buildings in the world. The abandoned structure is located in Jubail, Saudi Arabia. It dates to the fourth century and was discovered in 1986. The government hides it from locals and bans foreigners from visiting it, even archaeologists" The intention is to learn about facts and truth, unfortunately or fortunately Islam have been avoiding the truth.
How would an elderly woman living in the USA feel threatened by a Crusade against islam??? He may have told them but the covenant was with Isaac and HIS descendant. The other didn't matter and they drifted off...
Would you prefer head-banger instead? I thought you weren't someone like Quantril, who take everything literally...
Head-banger? You think tomteapack listens to heavy-metal? Possible. Or do you want to employ that term to childishly insult early Christians whose tradition of prostrating during prayer was adopted by Muslims? Or even Jews who move their head while praying? Or even every religion that knows prostration, i.e. almost all? In that case I'd prefer it if you didn't insult my own and fellow-religions. Not that I find such childish behaviour upsetting, but it takes away the last bit of credibility you may have left. So why should tomteapack be an apologist of any of these religions? I gather he's an atheist, a fact that obviously didn't keep him from being informed on the use of the term JHWH and wanting to share this information with you. Indeed the biblical God does not really tell us His name: (Exodus 3:13-15) Jews rarely use JHWH (some will write it, but never say it), but mostly refer to God as Adonai or Elohim. Elohim (Aramaic: Elah ) being the word that's linguistically related to the Arab word Allah, and both Elohim and Allah simply mean "God". Not an apology for anything, but a mere fact, like it or not.
Thanks for noticing that I am atheist and thanks for confirming that "I am that I am" is not a name, lol. It amazes me how many Christians take the word of some idiot in a pulpit and never bother to research things for themselves. With the internet today and the free bibilical software given out by deeply religious and highly christian organizations (the ones that are not fundamental nuts), it is easy to research the foundings of many religions and to find the reality of much that is said about the bible. Instead, the KJV only nuts and similar lunatic cults, just rant and claim and spout nonsense taught them by idiots that oft times do not read above a 3rd grade level. Where I worked, there was a preaching deacon at a local church, who held service at his church every other week (on the alternated weeks it was a preacher brought from another church). His reading skill were such that he had to come to me, every time we got a new document on our Insurance, or benefits, because he did not read well enough to understand them. But HE taught the bible, the REAL bible, to a KJV only Fundamentalist church, because GOD had informed him what the BIBLE really meant. That is what is so sickening about so many of the right wing bible fanatics. Oh, I do not listen to any music, I am tone deaf and it is just obnoxious noise to me.
Thought so. Even though it strikes me as a contradiction in terms that an atheist should love Satan. Well. from all I know about the weirder American Christian sects I'm afraid I'll have to agree with your verdict. I consider myself lucky to be a member of a church which requires its pastors to have obtained a proper university diploma of theology before being ordained. To get such a diploma not only do you have to be able to read your native language, but also Hebrew, Greek and Latin. It helps to weed out the illiterate nutters. Of course it's in the ear and eye of the beholder, but most Heavy Metal is obnoxious noise.
Here is the full gospel and in it God is telling Moses that if the Israelites ask His name Moses is to tell them that "I AM THAT I AM" who send you (Moses) and then God continue (in other words God is answering Moses to tell them that He is He or I AM, God is not telling Moses His name), He said to Moses; 15And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. 16Go, and gather the elders of Israel together, and say unto them, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, appeared unto me, saying, I have surely visited you, and seen that which is done to you in Egypt: Exodus 3:13-16 Lord = YHWH
The Satan bit was atheist humor! Well, Elvis, Pat Boone and Tina Turner are all just obnoxious noise to me, as well as Beethoven and the other "classical" creators of "MUSIC".
Exodus is a morality tale about the bondage of ignorance of God and an escape from chaos.. but its fiction.
Probably not quite, but YHWH was later merged with the vowels of Adonai which indeed means "Lord". All in all, it goes to support the original point: when I pray I use the words "God" and "Lord" interchangeably. I might as well say "Allah" and "κύριος". They address the same meaning and the one and only God will know that it's always Him who's meant.
The Bible is only fiction to those who don't accept Israel's history and or don't believe in Christianity. Israel's history can be found in the Old Testament.
I would agree, in fact I think God does not have a name and as that gospel is saying when God said "I Am That I AM" "Lord God" = God is saying that He does not have a name???
The bible is not a history book. It's full of allegories alongside historical accounts. Only a fool would take everything literally.
Yes, the bible contains many things of historical value, including the beliefs, myths and superstitions of primitive, violent, ignorant mid-eastern tribes of what anyone in their right minds would today call SAVAGES!! The myths and superstitions of savages have no place in today's society, at least not outside of historical studies.
