House Republicans Claim Majority Of Americans Support Defunding ACA

There is your answer right there direct identification with the President

 

Here's the part you are missing. You MAY make more money on your own. But what if you DON'T? Then what? You become a BURDEN on the rest of us? Sorry pal. Society says, "NO you can't do that. We won't have it!"

I could phrase that differently and deservedly so. But then my post would be deleted. Maybe you can guess what I'd really like to say.

 

As long as the GOP keeps looking like a bunch of idiots, they're going to lose seats. Even in their gerrymandered BS districts. 2016 election is gonna be a shoe-in if Reps keep acting like this and doing things like that. More austerity during depression, pissing off their donors from the shutdown, fake filibusters...jeeze.

They wonder why no one listens to their dumbass. Now they're pissing off their last few friends on wallstreet and big business. Pretty soon it's just going to be those 10 kids on this forum with 40 names as their entire base.

 

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This clearly illustrates my first post in this thread.

 

No. Liberals say that.

There are no guarantees in life. There is no guarantee that Social Security will be in place when I go to retire. There is no guarantee that government will still be around to take care of me. Maybe YOU feel comfortable and more secure that government handles taking care of your retirement. I don't.

"The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants."

I don't need you, or the self prescribed society for which you use to validate confiscation of the fruits of my labor telling me that I MUST give to you.

I think you said it quite well:

"We (liberals) know better how to take care of you with your money than you do, so hand it over... oh and we will use some of it for what we think is deserving on the collective level."

The arrogance of the left is simply astounding.

 

Yes, Americans are hopelessly stupid.

This is just like people going out and filming Obama voters when he won, remember how ridiculous those people were with what they were saying?

I believe both sides have a point. We should make the right to vote dependent on a test of some sort. Stupid people (on both sides) are ruining the country.

 

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According to the recent CNN Poll, 38% of Americans favor the law, 39% oppose it for being too liberal, and 11% oppose it for not being liberal enough.

According to the recent Quinnipiac Poll, 72% oppose "Congress cutting off funding of the health care law as a way to stop it from being put into place", whilst 22% support such an act.

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Until the law is fully implemented, the best experience-based evaluation and empirical data by which to assess it is that of its model, 2006 WillardCare in Massachusetts.

Republicans clearly fear similar success amongst Americans nationwide.

 

House Republicans Claim Majority Of Americans Support Defunding ACA

I guess that's why there were almost 1 million calls trying to sign up for it - before 0700 on the first day.

 

I am not the SLIGHTEST bit impressed with your youthful and ignorant delusions of your abilities. What? You think you are the ONLY kid smart enough to decide to do something wonderful with your life? EVERY kid thinks the same thing. Do you know how many actually do? VERY few. If these old right wing farts didn't get money from the gov't once a month MOST of them would be laying in the streets starving. ESPECIALLY in the South. And that's based on the OLDER people who came up BEFORE your idiot President Duh-bya DESTROYED the economy. So I don't give you a snowball's chance in Hell. Do you even have a JOB? Unless the GOP gets what they want you're going to wake up at retirement age and be damned happy you DIDN'T get your way on this. I'd be surprised if your net worth at retirement is even a positive number. And that's even IF the GOP doesn't get another idiot in there to screw everything up again.

One other thing. Based on your brilliant analyses of economics do you think the economy would be better or worse if people have more money to spend? So if you take away the money retired people get from Social Security would the economy get better or worse? And based on that would you say your chances of being a financial success yourself go up or down by ending SS? And BEFORE you start giving me this horse(*)(*)(*)(*) about how the economy would be doing so great if all that SS money was invested take a look at what investments did in 2008 when the value of EVERYTHING fell like a brick.

One of these days when you're at Rent A Center trying to scrape up enough money for a down payment on a pair of shoes be sure and ask them if you can rent a CLUE to go with them.

 

Democratic candidates for the House received a million more votes than Republican candidates, your "mandate" was gerrymandered.

If you are going to repeal ObamaCare you need to clear the same hurdles that the Democrats cleared to put it on the books.
You need a Majority in the House, at least 60 votes in the Senate, and a presidential signature.
That's what ObamaCare got, that's why it's the law. You have 1/3 of what you need, come back when you have it all.
The shortest path to repeal would be if you had veto proof majorities in the House and Senate, then you might do something in 2015.
Blame that old rag they call the constitution, but ObamaCare is here to stay.

And for all the negative advertising that has skewed polls to show opposition to ObamaCare, that will wear off when the "train wreck" fails to materialize.
ObamaCare is going to be the new third rail.....

 

Gerrymandered? if you think a party winning a majority of seats w/o a majority of votes necessarily means gerrymandering, then you've got a lot to learn about the real world.

Are you being willfully ignorant, or is there some other reason why you're saying such daft things? The gop needs 3 things to outright repeal Obamacare, and you think that lacking all three means they can't oppose it at all? This horse is already dead.

Oh, and as far as advertising. Obama has used the bully pulpit to advertise Obamacare more than any other president has ever used the bully pulpit at all. nvm that Obamacare has had millions of dollars in government funds to advertise itself.

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Ah. Sounds remarkably like, "we have to implement it before we can find out what it will do."

 

Obviously, it must be fully implemented if it is to repeat the success of its Massachusetts model, and clairvoyant certitude should always be suspect.

Clearly, some expect that it will be as successful and are desperate to sabotage it before that is allowed to happen.

Pragmatism dictate that it be given a chance.

 

I find this whole "just give it a chance" angle suspect. Another New England state, VT, has an inherent right to open carry. Its worked there. If it was tried at the national level, would you just say, "hey, we've got to give it a chance"? Somehow I think not

 

If the Vermont law had been adopted by the President, passed by both Houses of Congress, and declared constitutionally valid by the Supreme Court, and if the President had run for re-election in support of it and defeated his opponent who said he would repeal it, I would accept it as the law of the land.

Depending upon whether it increased the homicide rate, I might welcome efforts to repeal it via proper legislative procedures, of course, but I wouldn't sulk and shut down Acadia National Park just because I didn't get my way.

 

At first I was going to just call bus, but are you actually suggesting that if Obamacare increases healthcare costs - not with caveats, but on the whole - you wouldn't just accept, but support repealing it?

 

How does it increase healthcare costs?

OK, people who go without medical care now will get medical care, is that how you want to keep health care costs down?
But other than more people getting medical care, how does it increase costs?

 

Not all of the GOP advantage is gerrymandered, but some of it is.
And in the only poll that counts, the president won re-election handily.
So much for people hating ObamaCare.
And once it's in effect, it will work, and it will be popular.
It is in Massachusetts, it's almost the same plan that Switzerland uses, very popular there too.
It's not like it's something that's never been done before.

The GOP can say all they want about ObamaCare, but it's the law, only a complete moron would believe it's about to be defunded.
It will be the law until it gets replaced by single payer, and that may take another decade or two, so get used to it.

 

Have you heard of a "hypothetical"? How about a "straw man argument"?

 

America NEEDS the ACA, as much as any other law we've passed, IMO.

 

NEEDING and AFFORDING are two different things. Welcome to the reality of Obamacare

$175 premium for a young, healthy student? Thanks, Obamacare!

 

Yes, some of the gop seats were won through gerrymandering. Not even half of the difference in seats, but still some (if memory serves, it was about a dozen of the 40-some odd seat edge the gop has). But it's not as if the Democrats have never gerrymandered, they've certainly kept seats because of gerrymandering. It's almost a wash.

Not going to beat a dead horse any further. Stuff just goes in one ear and out the other, doesn't it?

Only a complete moron would believe it was about defunding Obamacare.

 

You might have missed it, the GOP gave up on defunding ObamaCare a while ago, like the first day.
Now it's all about saving face, they have to get something or they'll look foolish.

Here's Obama's response

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ

 

This nation cannot AFFORD to be without the ACA. It's not necessarily cheaper... but it delivers something better for the money.

It's not perfect and it can surely be fine-tuned in the years to come.

 

you italicized the wrong part. Here, I underlined it for you.