House Republicans impeach Homeland Security Secretary Mayorkas in historic, controversial vote

I disagree. He will want the acquittal and has no fear of a conviction.

 

Given the public statements of some of his caucus, I doubt it. At the very least, Manchin is a vote to convict.

 

This stuff is what makes politics entertaining.

 

Its intended to get Democrats to defend over 7 million illegals, 4 times more than any president in history, illegally crossing the border and being released into the US.
Claiming the border is secure while showing how bias they really are and how they will lie in the face of irrefutable evidence. .
And they are dumb enough to fall for it.
The fallout is going to be awesome.

 

They did provide a border bill. Its called HR 2. But you knew that.
Schumer refused to put it up for vote in the Senate. And you knew that.
And there is nothing in Bidens new bill that will slow illegal immigration as his EOs are still in place.
And you know that as will.

But what is awesome is the impeachment will out these lying Democrats who will have to ignore the over 7 million illegals allowed into the US in just 3 years, 4 times the amount of any president in history, to claim the border is secure and Mayorkas is doing his job.

And Democrats will fall for it hook line and sinker showing voters they will knowingly lie in the face of undisputed evidence.

Refusing to abide by the constitution to protect American borders, allowing illegals and drugs into the US in unprecedented amounts is a crime.

 

It already is. Watching Dems freak out and turn on each other has been delicious:

Chicago Democrats turn against Mayor Johnson on migrant issue: 'We asked for it'
https://www.foxnews.com/media/chica...-mayor-johnson-migrant-issue-its-overwhelming


Border bill collapse prompts headaches for Democratic-led cities
As a trio of senators struggled to strike a border and immigration deal last month, Mike Johnston, Denver’s Democratic mayor, warned that failing to pass a bill would trigger “a massive fiscal crisis” for his city.

That’s because the bipartisan compromise was expected to including funding for cities such as Denver that have been inundated with migrants, straining their resources.

Now the bill is dead and the crisis is here to stay...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ast-thing-democratic-mayors-governors-wanted/


No taxpayer cash for you, muchacho!



SCHADENFREUDE

 

And while its happening, the left here on PF claims it isn't.
I love watching them defend Biden, while at the same time seeing their own party condemning Biden for allowing over 7 million illegals to roam the country.
It is delicious

 

And they're all headed for a Democratik sanctuary city near you!

Open Borders/Sanctuary City Dims really lit the petard this time...



Have a nice flight!!

 

Apparently you are unfamiliar with these things. House can draft a bill, send it to the Senate, and vice versa. The other side, the Senate, in this case, can either do something with it, amend it, redraft it, OR reject it and work on a new similar bill, which, in this case, is exactly what the Senate did.

So, my response to you is, "So what?".

No, I don't know that, and since the lead negotiator was a Republican, your claim is not logical.

When you make unfounded broad swipe non substantive allegations, I simply cannot take you seriously,.

Your bellyaching is predicated on assumptions, and summarily rejected.

Since your response is devoid of facts, allow me to interject some facts:

Here is a full analysis of HR2

https://immigrationforum.org/article/bill-analysis-the-secure-the-border-act-of-2023/

and the long and short of it is that it would go back to Trump era cruelty, i.e., abusive to children.

In the view of democrats, if your 'results' are via cruelty, then those results are immoral.

Now, I am not saying all of HR2 is bad, and I would imagine some of it's good ideas have been adopted by the new Senate Bill, as Lankford has told us that it had most of what Repubs in the House wanted, probably amending the inhumane aspects of it.

Let's do a 'reductio ad absurdum' number, on HR2, which is a method of following the logic of an idea as far as it can go to see if there is any absurdity in it's premise, understanding that HR2's restrictive aspects which would produce lower numbers of immigrants, but via cruel policies. Since cruelty is the underlying principle, will focus on that part with this technique.

So, note that the following is 'reductio ad absurdum' for the purpose of making a point:

So, we close the border to everyone and all traffic,. dispatch the NG and Border Patrol all along the border and the shoot to kill anyone that crosses.

So, that policy, being extremely cruel, would produce even better results, probably cut illegal immigration down to zero insofar as illegal crossing.

However, the result would be immoral and criminal.

The point is, sure,. a cruel policy will result in fewer immigrants, but it if's immoral, the result is also immoral. Moreover, 'fewer immigrants' isn't necessarily the right objective, as we do have a labor shortage in this country, so the objective would be legal immigration sufficient to keep up with demands on labor.

Because of that fact, your 'stats',(Trump's stats) because they have immoral aspects, cannot be used as a comparative basis.

In my view, the long and short of the is that HR2 would result in child abuse, damaging children. That is why Schumer no doubt rejected it, especially given that zero dems voted for it in the house.

https://immigrationforum.org/article/bill-analysis-the-secure-the-border-act-of-2023/

The Secure the Border Act of 2023 (HR2) would compromise the U.S.’s long-standing tradition of refuge, while restricting existing lawful pathways that bolster our nation’s humanitarian and national security priorities. It would not address what is driving the perception of disorder at the U.S.-Mexico border: our broken immigration system.

Amid a hemispheric displacement crisis that will continue to force migrants and asylum seekers from their homes, an enforcement-only approach like this one will not provide U.S. officials with the infrastructure and resources they need to adequately respond. Instead, Congress must work together on bipartisan reforms that pair smart border security with lawful and orderly pathways to the U.S., while also reinforcing our nation’s longstanding commitment as a safe haven for those fleeing persecution.

The 'working together' aspect was achieved with the Lankford's Senate Bill.

ZERO democrats voted for HR2. Senator Lankford's bill was BIPARTISAN.

Thing is Condor, life is a 2 way street. The house 'our way or the highway' approach is not going to cut it, and since NO dem voted for it, that is no doubt why it has been held in limbo in the Senate and the Senate has started anew on it, in a 'work together' method, which is what Americans want us to do.

 

It was never put before the Senate, which is the obligation of Schumer to do.
And as much as you don't like it, Schumer alone is not the appointed arbiter of House business.

Do tell us which fact isn't a fact for you

Fact #1
Over 7 million illegals have been released into the US in the last 3 years, 4 times higher than any president in history.

Fact #2
Democrats are defending Mayorkas who has been impeached

Which fact do you have a problem with?

So forecasting to illegals that you can stay in the US if you just claim asylum,
Resulting in over 7 million illegals running to the border and released into the US
Bringing with it the largest human trafficking problem in history,
doesn't put children in danger?

The largest illegal run in history for the border Crossing rivers doesn't put children in danger?
The largest illegal run in history Crossing deserts doesn't put children in danger?
The largest illegal run in history negotiating razer wire doesn't put children in danger?
The largest illegal run in history using Coyotes in the middle of the night doesn't put children in danger?

If you were honest about putting children in danger, you wouldn't support all the reasons why it is cruel and immoral and puts children in danger.
So your rebuttal is dismissed as just biased arguments

Dismissed for the ridiculous propaganda statement it is

Yet you approve of the actual cruel policy that puts million of children at risk, instead of actual legal immigration

Nobody is buying into Bidens fake immigration bill. He could fix the problem simply by reversing his own EOs that created over 7 million illegals being released into the US.
Or did you have another president who provided EOs that brought in 7 million in 3 years?
Or are you also claiming the every other border policy in the history of the US is cruel and immoral?

 

Wrong. You incessantly are simplistic in your replies and omit relevant facts. Schumer is not strictly obligated to put the bill to the floor, but the decision ultimately rests with him and the Senate leadership.

To suggest that Schumer alone bears the responsibility for the fate of HR2 in the Senate, or to imply that he has overreached into House affairs, reveals a lack of understanding of congressional operations and the separation of powers within the legislative branch. Your claim disregards the procedural realities and collaborative nature of lawmaking in favor of a misplaced critique.

And we still have a labor shortage. What is needed is a streamlined path to citizenship.

An impeachment by strict party line vote and is sure to be dismissed in the Senate via a bipartisan vote is nothing to brag about. I would be embarrassed and ashamed if I were a Republican for impeaching a man who did not commit any high crimes or misdemeanors.

We should do our best to reduce the danger. But Trump's policies will be cruel and are unacceptable.

Ditto, above.

Sorry, your HR2 is child abuse. It's one thing to try our best to reduce their danger, but another thing altogether to cause it. HR2 causes it.

Meaningless statement.

And in depth critique of HR2 is here, and you can't refute any of it, because it's scholarship vastly exceeds your knowledge capacity.

https://immigrationforum.org/article/bill-analysis-the-secure-the-border-act-of-2023/

The Senate bill passed the Senate with a Bipartisan vote.
The house bill (HR2) did not pass bipartisan.

You need to consider why that is true.

Life is a 2 way street, condor, a fact which apparently eludes you.

I never made that claim, I made the claim that no president in history has solved the border problem, nor do I believe it can be solved unless tremendous resources allocated, which republicans are not interested in, hence they are the problem.

Trump's and HR2 provisions are unacceptable to Democrats.

https://immigrationforum.org/article/bill-analysis-the-secure-the-border-act-of-2023/

HR2 represents enforcement-only approach to migration-related challenges at the United States-Mexico border.

While some elements of the proposed legislation might prove effective and helpful, like additional investments in personnel and technology at ports of entry, the bill’s enforcement-only focus and failure to address lawful pathways is deeply flawed.

... H.R.2’s emphasis on keeping noncitizens detained — and defunding more humane approaches to case management for migrants and their families — could cause undue harm and trauma. A strategic plan for the Border Patrol predicated on information from those who have been “negatively impacted by illegal immigration” may have the adverse effect of demonizing migrants and asylum seekers, instead of promoting policies that recognize their human dignity

These provisions would make it harder for individuals to request asylum, even in cases where they can demonstrate a well-founded fear of persecution, effectively disqualifying people who would be able to receive protection under the U.S.’s current laws. Taken together, the bill’s restrictions would severely limit asylum for most migrants who traveled through Latin America to reach the U.S.-Mexico border. The new fee requirements could box out asylum seekers without the ability to pay for refuge, while mandatory detention or long-term waits abroad could make it more difficult for migrants to access legal counsel and ultimately win their cases.

The bill would roll back safeguards for migrant children

The Flores Settlement Agreement is the current standard that governs the conditions under which children can legally be held in U.S. immigration detention. This bill would undermine some of the agreement’s most fundamental stipulations, including restrictions on how long kids can be detained, while also limiting access to an existing legal pathway for migrant children.

A sizable proportion of the U.S.’s undocumented community entered the country legally and overstayed a visa. Under current law, overstaying a visa is a civil violation, and those who do so are subject to potential immigration consequences, but not criminal penalties. H.R.2 would change that, by making people who overstay visas subject to criminal charges similar to the ones imposed on those who enter the U.S. without authorization. Such a policy would have far-reaching consequences for a broad swathe of people — a tourist who remained in the U.S. for an extra few weeks, a future spouse awaiting his visa — who have little to do with the situation at the border.

In short, HR2 is DOA at the Senate.

The lead negotiator for the Senate bill was Sen. Lankford, a republican, and goes a long ways to address the problem, but unlike the House bill, creates and infrastructure to reduce danger to children and is constructed with an eye on compassion. HR2 does no such thing.

HR2 is a testament to hatred of immigrants, and is evil.

 

There's nothing remotely bipartisan about a border deal allowing in 5,000 illegals a day into our country. Screw that noise.

But I see the talking point marching order is just to keep repeating bipartisan over and over

 

You mean the one that was supposed to allow 5,000 illegals a day into the nation?

 

Your answer to 7 million illegals roaming the US is labor shortage?
Hilarious

It will show voters how disconnected Democrats have become and their own party ignorance of defending the worst illegal invasion in our country's history.
I can't wait to hear these idiot Democrats defending the countries worst border crisis in history while their sanctuary city Mayors continue to rip Bidens administration to shreds for what Biden has brought down upon them.
I have lots of popcorn to see this show.

Then you should have no problem in pointing out the child abuse in these policies.

HR2 restarts construction on the border wall and requiring the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to create a plan to meet benchmarks for 200 miles of construction each year;
Not seeing any child abuse here

Reinforce the unrealistically narrow definition of “operational control” as “the prevention of all unlawful entries into the United States, including entries by terrorists, other unlawful aliens, instruments of terrorism, narcotics, and other contraband”(emphasis added);
Not seeing any child abuse here

Require the DHS secretary to incorporate physical barriers, infrastructures, and technologies to “achieve situational awareness and operational control” at the U.S.-Mexico border;
Not seeing any child abuse here

Increase the number of full-time Border Patrol agents to at least 22,000;
Not seeing any child abuse here

Prohibit the use of U.S. Customs and Border Protection Air and Marine Operations resources to transport noncitizens who will not be detained into the country’s interior;
Not seeing any child abuse here

Build on Operation Stonegarden to appropriate $110 million per fiscal year — from 2024 through 2028 — for grants to law enforcement agencies working with U.S. immigration authorities near the U.S.’s land and maritime borders;
Not seeing any child abuse here

Require the U.S. Border Patrol to pull together a strategic plan based in part on information provided by “border community stakeholders” such as hospitals, farmers, ranchers, property owners, victims of crimes done by undocumented immigrants, and others “negatively impacted by illegal immigration;”
Not seeing any child abuse here

Pull funding for processing noncitizens who have entered the U.S. illegally between ports of entry;
Not seeing any child abuse here

Bar funds from being disbursed to NGOs that “facilitate or encourage unlawful activity,” defined to include unlawful entry, or that facilitate transportation, lodging, or immigration legal services for people who are inadmissible;
Not seeing any child abuse here

Restrict the use of documents provided by DHS, such as notices to appear and work authorizations, as valid IDs at airport security checkpoints;
Not seeing any child abuse here

Limit the CBP One phone application and other similar platforms to only be used for the inspection of perishable cargo, barring its use for the scheduling of immigration interviews for people at ports of entry;
Not seeing any child abuse here

Mandate government reporting on migration-related economic and security ramifications to states and municipalities along the U.S.-Mexico border, including to law enforcement, school districts, healthcare providers, and farmers and ranchers;
Not seeing any child abuse here

Defund an alternatives to detention case management program and CBP’s shelter services program.
Not seeing any child abuse here

So show us all this magical child abuse you continue to claim built into HR2 you have been ranting about..
Guaranteed you won't, because it doesn't exist.

Because Democrat support open borders. We all know why its true.

 

Dems were wrong again

 

Bipartisan legislation has a specific meaning, simply that both parties voted on the language of a bill.

It isn’t a talking point, it’s just fact.

You can easily look it up and see that it is, indeed, bipartisan. Or you can continue to broadcast the level of comprehension being displayed.

Completely up to you

 

Sorry but you are NOT putting the country and citizens FIRST if you’re allowing in millions of illegals AND using tax dollars to support them. Just NO!!! That is NOT the job of anyone. Their ONLY job is preventing as many as possible from entering and turning back EVERYONE without documents, a bank account and a job already arranged. If you have to show up on foot, we don’t NEED YOU. It is easy to arrange LEGAL seasonal migrant workers for certain industries. They come they work. They LEAVE!!!

Africans and Asians walking in from our southern border? Screw THAT!! This isn’t the 1800s. We’re not building railroads or constructing cities from dirt If you can’t afford to fly into NY or LA and go through customs, get the F out. There are many many countries closer to YOU where you can request asylum. It’s INSANE what Dems are doing to this country.

 

If you think you 5k illegals being allowed into the our nation daily is remotely good for the country, then there is a comprehension problem being displayed here but it's not on my end.

 

Then again everyone knows that math is hard for the DNC.. 5000 a day, that's like maybe a couple hundred a month only ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

The number should be exactly ZERO...... anything less is the open border they say doesn't exist and only encourages more to come illegally .... rewarding breaking our laws

 

Hey it's your guys ball and chain, he mucked it up, let him live with the consequences. All he has to do is get his handy dandy Obatard ball point pen and start a EO'n ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

You know you're talking DNC sweet talk, right?

 

I didn’t say it was a good thing

I only said it was a piece of bipartisan legislation

READ

If you say so, again, facts seem to disagree

 

Thats the truth of the matter!

 

Not much has changed with Democrats in 200 years