How can Free Will exist with Omnipotence?

It's not silly. It's not a comparison, its an example, and the fact that you're whining about the example rather than addressing the point behind it makes me think YOU are trying a red herring approach.

Apples and oranges are two quite similar items in a lot of ways, and if narrowing an argument down to one example is a "red herring" then: (1) you're guilty of many red herrings yourself, (2) no it isnt, and (3) stop acting like an idiot.

 

It is silly. You are comparing a single act to knowing the outcome and the choices in your entire life.

You are comparing apples and oranges as a red herring.

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I am making the choice to submit this post. That is different than an act fifty years in the future being predetermined. I am not going to entertain the idea that they are alike. If you think they are comparable, then have fun.

 

Good sir. Your exquisite skill in debate has trumped me. Rather than continue posting the same thing ad infinitum, I'll let you continue to go against recommendation #3.

 

Right, because we all know that you making the decision to do X is equivalent to your entire life being predetermined without the possibility of deviation makes perfect sense and are totally parallel and comparable.

Laughable.

 

Yeah, it is pretty laughable. I'm laughing at that man too. It's funny, how the straw holds him together.

 

Because the Omnipotent entity chooses to permit it.

 

It only seems self-contradictory to you because your stuck in linear time. Withdraw from the trappings of time and it makes perfect sense.

 

I am viewing it in that context and demolishing your argument in the process.

 

Nullity, please try and not get frustrated but I can't let this rest.

That's what I am arguing,yes, that omniscience is based on all the decisions that we will make. You say that it doesn't matter and that it is irrelevant..

But this contradicts logic itself because if it didn't depend on our 'perceivable' "choices" then there would be nothing to be omniscient about, there would be no "any outcome to any scenario" or "one possible outcome," There would be nothing.

 

I believe the idea of free will makes no sense, though I'm an Atheist.
If I witness something (for example someone knocking on my door) and my thought processes lead me to react to that (say, by opening the door) then have I not chosen what to do? Why do you need to talk about free will? How could there even be an alternative - and wouldn't the alternative be complete randomness?

 

Free will is merely the kowledge that choices other than the one you made exist.

 

False.

 

However, they do not exist.

 

People have no idea what a disaster free will would be if it existed the way they think it does.

 

You knew the choices had the potential to exist you did not make them. That is all the free will you have and it is all that is necessary. Arguments against this sort of limited free will are in reality little more than a way to excuse the evil that many men not only do but relish.

 

That depends on what your definition of omnipotence and omniscience is

 

I assume they are the definitions that make God all powerful and all knowing. Without those definitions, God is not God.

 

If God is all powerful, then he can do whatever he wants. There is no limit. As soon as you say he cannot don something, its you that just limited all powerful. This is clear display of lazi atheist propoganda that has been answered time and time again, but its hard for atheists to consider that anything other than their own opinion and simply obstinance might have a factor in the problem set.

 

No philosopher or scientist defines free will they way you do, so I'm gonna say you have no idea what you're talking about.

Red herring.

 

It is not simply a matter of knowing what choice someone will make, but being the creator of the brain and environment that results in that "choice." A god that creates all, knowing how each detail will result in every action from every being has destroyed any chance of free will.

God or no god, free will cannot exist. You do not choose your biology, and therefore, you are left at it's mercy. All you do is based on your biology and it's reaction to your environment.

We can see how physically touching the brain or using electricity or chemicals can change a person's thought patterns and behavior, and we can see how people born with a different brain structure behave and think differently, so there is no reason to believe that there is some magical part of humans that is actually responsible for our consciousness or actions. It really makes no sense. It's like looking at a car engine, seeing how the vehicle either doesn't work or does work based on the condition and structure of the engine, and then, concluding that even though everything seems to be dependent on this physical engine, there are actually invisible gnomes powering the vehicle, and they just happened to act different when you change things about the engine.