How do Generals get to be Generals?

Even with only half of our current navy, we'd still mop the floor with the Navy of 1941. Modern ships are simply far more capable combatants.

BTW, how does that 17% number reflect surge capacity, IE ships that could be brought up to readiness within say a week?

 

Warships built before the 1970's were built to take hits and stay afloat and keep on fighting.

The thinking with current warships that no navy had any gun larger than a 5". Armor protection no longer needed. That new technology would be able to eliminate any threat from incoming anti ship missiles...NOT.

The scuttlebutt that the Russians were able to launch it's anti ship missiles in salvos where 8 to 24 anti ship missiles would all come on target at the exact time was confirmed back in 2012.

The U.S. Navy's CIWS Sea Sparrow wasn't up to the mission. The Phalanx CIWS can only deal with one threat at a time.
The U.S. Navy's RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) might be the answer.

Conclusion; with the ships three layers of defense that includes the Aegis Weapons System, and there's an aircraft carrier in the area with it's E-2 Hawkeye and FA-18's in the air along with the ships RIM-66 Standard missiles and it's RAM and Phalanx CIWS, 80 % to 90% of the incoming anti ship missiles could be defeated. The other 10% to 20% will hit their targets.

Damage Control Procedures comes into play keeping the ship afloat. By the end of WW ll the U.S. Navy was a master at damage control procedures. From lessons learned during the Vietnam War, damage control procedures were perfected. (every sailor is a fireman)

Lessons learned but ignored. The military should never be used for PC social engineering. Women should never serve on warships !



Results of a test the Navy did to see how well women could perform in damage control -- i.e., tasks necessary to save a ship that had been hit.

Test % Women Failing % Men Failing
Before Training After Training Before Training After Training
Stretcher carry, level 63 38 0 0
Stretcher carry/up, down ladder 94 88 0 0
Fire hose 19 6 0 0
P250 pump, carry down 99 99 9 4
P250 pump, carry up 73 52 0 0
P250, start pump 90 75 0 0
Remove SSTO pump 99 99 0 0
Torque engine bolt 78 47 0 0

 

Interesting that you don't actually link to that test so we can see for ourselves. We just have to take your word for it that you didn't just make up those numbers.

Warships from 1941 would get killed by the modern navy long before they got within range of our ships.

 

Its from the book
Women in the Military: Flirting With Disaster
Dec 1, 1997
by Brian Mitchell

It took me one google search to find it. You can get the book on Amazon, the data and charts are also widely reprinted in articles all over the internet. With a little more work no doubt you can find the actual study report from the US Navy.

 

So its 20 years out of date? Why should its data be considered to still be valid?

 

Have women evolved in some amazingly rapid way so that their physical ability now equals a mans? No. The tests listed in the post are measures of a persons physical ability. For example, can a woman haul the P250 pump (a 40 hp high pressure water pump) up and down a ladder? Apparently not, meaning she cannot function in that damage control role. And pumps are still as heavy as they were 20 years ago.

 

Yet exercise, especially female strength training, has taken off in the last decade.

 

Give Battle3 a cigar.

I thought that the Navy's test was so wide known that it didn't need a link.

http://www.fredoneverything.net/MilMed.shtml

 

There are only 2 kinds of ships:

1 - Submarines

2 - Targets for submarines.

 

This is interesting so I am going to google it ...

The most current citation I could find is dated Nov 2011.

It says there are 216 U.S. Navy admirals:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/cuttin...-more-than-ten-times-as-many-as-in-wwii/27745

As far as U.S. Navy warships, there are currently 415:

http://www.globalfirepower.com/navy-ships.asp

Ergo the ratio of admirals to warships is currently 1 admiral to 1.9 warships.

This is indeed certainly too high.

Ideally it should be closer to 1 to 4 or so, since a typical Navy task force has a carrier, a supply ship (tender), and escort (destroyer), and at least 1 submarine.

So we do indeed have TOO MANY ADMIRALS in the U.S. Navy -- no question.

But I would not go so far as to exaggerate that there are more admiral than ships. That is a fallacy.

 

Standards in the military are never raised just lowered in the name of political correctness.

Questerr, could you pass the USMC PFT during 1908 ?

pull ups, push ups, sit ups, one minute squat thrusts, broad jump, 50-yard duck waddle, an 880-yard run and a 440-yard run in less than 75 seconds for those under the age of 30.

What the **** was the purpose of the duck waddle ?

 

415 ? Global Fire Power might be counting the Obama class garbage scows as ships.

You may remember a few years back (2014) the Obama White was busted by Congress for counting hospital ships as being warships to make the U.S. Navy to appear larger than it was.

US Ship Force Levels 1886-present -> https://www.history.navy.mil/research/histories/ship-histories/us-ship-force-levels.html

 

There is only a handful of hospital ships. Whether you count them or not is irrelevant.

When you add all the hospital ships together they are all worth 1 Navy admiral.

 

This mostly covers it, but a great many of those officers that are noticed at O-2 rank get weeded out by the difficult assignments they get and some of the very difficult schools they have to complete.

 

The Obama White House also counted small harbor patrol craft, barges, etc. along with hospital ships as being part of the battle force fleet.

As some members of Congress pointed out, by Obama counting the hospital ships as being part of the battle force sends a message to all current and future enemies that American hospital ships are fair game and no longer fall under the protections of of the Geneva Convention.

 

The GFP ranking has nothing to do with BH Obama.

http://www.globalfirepower.com/

 

I'm referring to this->
U.S. Navy's Combat Fleet Mysteriously Grows Overnight

 

That's because you don't know any better. Affirmative Action requires people getting ahead solely on merit. A quota system requires promoting people based solely on other reasons, like race, sex, and preferred sexual fetishes, and has nothing to do with merit. Just because they call the latter something else is meaningless; it's a quota system, not Affirmative Action.

 

Why would I need to pass a PT test from an era when the military didn't even have helmets, let alone body armor?

 

This is a balancing act thats been taking place since Navy ships still had steam engines with sails for when coal ran out. The current thinking is that armor is more or less useless because the amount of armor it would take to defend against modern missiles would make the ships too expensive and slow. What they are working on now is ways to defeat modern missile electronics with electronic, physical, and design countermeasures.

Women serve just fine on warships. Better ship design and better firefighting systems have made DC, and especially firefighting, much easier.

 

That's been the thinking since the early 1970's.

What the U.S. Navy didn't see over the horizon (future) was a salvo of 24 supersonic sea skimming anti ship missiles all hitting their targets at the same time.

The U.S. Navy thought they would only be dealing with a couple of incoming missiles at a time.

 

Except that AEGIS and RAM were specifically designed to defeat a massed missile attack.

 

Ah, Obama. Spent his time trying to slash our budget and forcing units to close.

Hey, entire state of Virginia, enjoy your sole MP unit now that the cuts forced the 266th to close.

This must be the "change" Obama was always referring to.

 

My god...what will Virginia ever do to survive with only a single MP unit?!?

 

Well, for any major presidential SR movements, they no longer have the man power to be deputized. Obama never understood the consequences of his military actions. When people tried to correct him, they were fired.

Who does that sound like