How do you propose to eliminate religion?

So now the Fruits of the Spirit is "junk". OK. Next time you attempt to use that Fruits of the Spirit tactic on other Christians, I will remind you of your stance on the subject of Fruits of the Spirit.

 

How? Watch the clock, thats all you have to do. Give it 150 years.

 

For a voluntary elimination of false belief that are simply based on superstition and not facts. No FORCED removal of the belief system, no.
Modern Secular Humanism is about freedom, and the truth, among other things. People are free to disagree with my opinion, I'll be the first to say. But to do so they invariably have to twist logic, or be inconsistent, because MSH is the most logical and consistent belief system ever.

 

You're a soldier so I thank you for your service.
Among those many things are you also a moral person (I assume you are)?.....let me explain what I mean by that: in other words, if a book says that 300 million innocent people should be killed, do you say that's immoral? [The Bible says gays should be killed, and LGBT make up about 4.5% of the population, so do you condemn those passages in the bible as immoral?]

Also, what if, hypothetically, your uncle, brother, or father (hypothetically) discovered they were more gay than strait, would you stop a righteous Christian from killing them - even though he was just following the bible in multiple places? I bet you would, so you are more moral than the Bible, and I'm thinking you didn't realize how great you are, is that right?

 

I didn't put it in any particular order.

This is an assumption.

I condemn the killing of anyone who is innocent.

I'll kill anyone who attempts to kill a member of my familiy.

 

Personally I believe that the Catholic Church will be in existence until the end of time and therefore religion will never cease to exist. I truly believe with all of my heart that the Catholic Church will be in existence on earth in some form or another until Jesus Christ returns. When Jesus Christ will return, I have no idea.

 

You seem like a very nice sincere person with some very odd ideas, that you are not willing, perhaps able, to actually examine.

 

Fantastic. So if I mailed you a new Bible that simply was missing two little verses (two that say to kill innocent people - gays) you'd then use THAT Bible as your day to day Bible (still keep the regular Bible around, but just don't use it nearly as often, since it's far less moral than the new improved version), correct?

 

Because the recent Popes, because they discourage condom use (for some insane religious reason), are indirectly responsible for untold numbers of innocent babies in Africa being born with AIDS, yet they don't give a damn about that. Hopefully we can destroy that vile institution (The Catholic Church) once and for all.

 

I can speak as an American impose a strict separation of church and state churches should be treated as taxable businesses (non-profit aspects like charity can be dealt with the same as a secular charity with separate paperwork), no intermingling with society if they talk about politics fine them for example, no special considerations (if a Quaker seeks CO status make them work for it on a case by case basis just like an atheist CO would have to) and don't give faiths any secular status (marriages they do would not count without a civil aspect). And I would ban indoctrination of children if someone wants to learn about and join a faith they can do it when they are eighteen, before that consider this child abuse.

 

According to xtians, the babies of Egypt and, "Sodom and Gomorrah" were killed, sure, but not, you know, innocent.

 

Christians, were the babies of S&G innocent, and therefore God is immoral since he killed innocent babies, OR is it fine to kill innocent babies and you are therefore ok with eliminating laws that say it's illegal to kill babies? In other words, can you be consistent in your thinking (as a follower of the world's most consistent belief system, modern Secular Humanism, I can of course be consistent in my thinking)? Which is it, Xians?

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The BABIES of S&G, were they innocent?....or did your god screw up, morally, and you condemn him for that incident in no uncertain terms? Which is it?

 

But what is yours?

 

You will never destroy the Catholic Church.

That said, the Catholic Church opposes the use of condoms because they interfere with the way God designed sex to be. God designed sex to be unitive and procreative. Obviously condoms interfere with the procreative aspect of sex. Also, for those who are married and have a serious reason to delay having children may use natural family planning. Natural family planning is different from the rhythm method. It involves the woman charting her menstrual cycle so she can determine which day she is fertile and which days she is not. If someone knows that they have HIV then they should not get married. If they are already married and have HIV then they should seek treatment for it and/or not have sex.

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I am not willing to entertain doubts about the Catholic Church.

 

I'm sure the Soviet Communists said the same thing about the USSR 180 days before it collapsed in a heap, just like the Catholic Church will in a few short decades. The fairy tale of the Bible is starting to end, and I relish every second of it's demise.

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The brain-washed never are willing to entertain doubts about their cult.

 

Catholics are more concerned about ancient dogma than about the lives of innocent babies in Africa! Talk about an incredibly immoral group of people. Wow.

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They don't always know!! How MANY innocent babies would have to die before you'd care about them enough to say that the Catholic Church is dead wrong? How many!? What number do you pick?

 

Regarding the loss of innocent life in the Bible; is it possible the Bible can be used to explain it? It is the Bible, after all, that says innocent people were killed.

 

Please realize that Jesus has, basically, put you in the impossible position of having to defend the indefensible, having to defend the slaughter of innocent people. Blame Jesus, not us atheists. I'm not the one who taught you to FEAR me or you'll burn forever, only JESUS is that vicious and insane. If it was up to me, you could curse Jesus (and anybody else you want), and NOT go to some bad place after death, that's because I care about you far more than the immoral Jesus does.

 

I don't have to defend it. I'm telling you to allow the Bible to explain itself instead of some atheists who are deliberately trying to discredit it. Would you want my preacher explaining secular humanism to me? Do you think that would do your religion any good? Then why are you letting atheists interpret the Bible for you?

 

Because Christians lie through their teeth about it!

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You couldn't if you tried, because it's just not defensible.

 

This seems to me similar to hoping the Lord of the Rings novels will save us from Dragons and evil creatures if great power. Fiction will remain such until shown to be otherwise....neither have done so.

Just because someone believes in Hobbits, does not mean they are reality.

 

Most atheists have let the bible explain itself.
That's how they got that way.

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Freedom Seeker is asking you to help us understand how that is justified.
Can you help?

 

The lack of willingness to entertain doubts is the end of reason. It is at your own peril.
Have you ever read Song of Songs or Ecclesiastes?
Sex is more than procreation, and the bible celebrates that truth.

 

You don't sound like someone who has studied the Bible. I've heard from a few people that they used to be Christians, somehow saw the light, and then abandoned the faith. First, just because a person was raised in a church doesn't mean they've studied the Bible. I didn't start actually studying the Bible until I was well into adulthood. Virtually everything I knew about the Bible until I was in the 30s I heard preached, memorized verses, etc. But never studied it.

As an adult I began to have most of the same questions brought up here. So, rather than look to atheists for answers, because being a Christian was too hard, and it is hard; I began to study the Bible myself. I don't have all of the answers. But when I have a question about the Bible, I look to…the Bible! It seems logical enough.

 

Please raise your standards, as the supposed "best book of all time, inspired by an all-knowing entity" would be so good that it would explain itself more than just about any other book out there. But we don't even know what the zombie meant by a rich man is as likely to get into heaven as a camel is to go through the eye of a needle. See threads on that....it's pathetic how poor of a communicator the supposed smartest entity of all time was. Amazingly he was as poor of a communicator as the barbarians who lived in the era they were written. What a surprise!