How many have actually died from COVID in the USA

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  1. Statistikhengst

    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    This is along trumpian line of "someone said, SIR, you are the greatest of all!"
     
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    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    Which one?
     
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    That the earth is round.
     
  4. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    It has NOTHING to do with people who died of known causes or those who died in some other country.

    It DOES have to do with those who died and nobody ever checked to see if the cause of death is COVID. That is, your question doesn't get answered.

    The issue is that we have had a HUGE increase in the number who have died this year (as compared with past years) without any determination of why they died. By huge, I mean like 50% more than in past years - a highly significant increase. Read the article for specific numbers.

    People die and home. They get shipped to the morgue. It's determined that it isn't foul play, so no further investigation is done.

    Even after we had testing capability ouside of hospitals, we haven't sent those tests to morgues to test dead bodies.

    Read the article. It addresses somthing that is very real.
     
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    Chrizton Well-Known Member

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    Your assumptions are not real. They are assumptions. In addition, the death certificate issue isn't new. Unless the family requests it or the government officials require it, then autopsies don't happen in many places, including my state because they don't come free and they don't happen quick.
     
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    Nobody has died from Covid-19, it's all a Hoax or a figment of your imagination. All these people on Ventilators are hypochondriacs, so throw away your Masks and go volunteer to clean up rooms at an ICU in Los Angeles and help um out.
     
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    What assumption are you talking about?

    I pointed out what you are saying about certificates of cause of death. Morgues don't do that. And, they don't test for COVID. And, they don't do autopsies except under certain circumstaces.

    Read my cite. There is a real issue with excess deaths and the rate of COVID in America.
     
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    The excess deaths could be driven by people not going to the hospital or doctor for other things because of lack of access or fear, depression, domestic violence. It is all speculation. Since most of these excess deaths happened when there was a shortage of access to testing, I really am glad they saved the available tests for the living.
     
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    I too am glad they saved the tests for the living.

    And, I don't see any indication that morgues are now testing bodies to se if the death was COVID related - certainly they weren't when tests weren't available. But deciding that morgues should test all bodies seems like the kind of change we would hear about.

    As for the other concern, I believe my cite mentions that.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    The Faith of Trump supporters have them denying that any deaths are real. All the bodies being put into mass graves are just pillows wrapped in sheets, most of the grieving families are being paid off by George Soros and the sufferers are actors from the Sandy Hook Thespian School
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    That the system working in Orlando would quickly list covid as cause of death in a motorcycle accident demonstrates that in Orlando there was pressure from somewhere to do so.

    That a local official would rationalize it as "being possible" corroborates that by whatever rationale and means, the system was quick to classify a death as covid. Whether for financial gain or other reasons I will never know.

    Gunshots, Motorcycle Deaths Count as COVID Casualties - Global ResearchGlobal Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

    The cat has been out of the bag for many months, but don't expect to see it discussed on MSM
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    C’mon Eleuthera, Globalresearch.ca is run by Michel Chossudovsky, who to this day claims the Twin Towers on 9-11 were a controlled explosion.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    He's not the only one. All the available facts and evidence show that it was, AND elements were nuclear.

    If you are a curious person, you should acquaint yourself with the fairly recent work of the German physicist Heinz Pommer.

    I'm betting you won't check his physics calculations out. :peace:
     
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    There is video of planes hitting them........VIDEO...
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Any serious person understands that planes hit the towers, and I'm sure Chussodovsky does too.

    Any serious and informed person understands that the planes that hit the towers were NOT AA11 and UA175.

    Drone aircraft hit the towers, but that has little to do with HOW the towers were brought down. There is a reason the men and women who worked "on the pile" became sick (many have died) in the same way that survivors of Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Chernobyl became sick. Matt Tartaglia of Pennsylvania told the most compelling account of nuclear contamination protocol being in place that day, but he's dead and his story was not covered by MSM. His teeth began falling out and he died about 5 years later.

    The aircraft hitting the south tower was recorded for all to see, and it has been shown many times for psychological effect. Many facts show that it was NOT United 175, but only a trained and informed eye, and an open mind, can see that.
     
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    That question shows the clarity of your thinking.
     
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    And there's ANOTHER one! LOL!!!!!!
     
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    I find this interesting

    "Two Minnesota state lawmakers are calling for an audit of death certificates that were attributed to the coronavirus, saying COVID-19 deaths could have been inflated by 40%.

    State Rep. Mary Franson and state Sen. Scott Jensen released a video last week revealing that after reviewing thousands of death certificates in the state, 40% did not have COVID-19 as the underlying cause of death.

    “I have other examples where COVID isn’t the underlying cause of death, where we have a fall. Another example is we have a freshwater drowning. We have dementia. We have a stroke and multiorgan failure,” Franson said in the video.

    She added that in one case, a person who was ejected from a car was “counted as a COVID death” because the virus was in his system."

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/coronavirus-death-certificates-minnesota-inflated
     
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    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    So, what caused the huge excess deaths from ALL Causes? Was there a massive increase in suicides, murders and RTAs in the past year?
     
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    Total number of deaths from ALL CAUSES IN 2019 = 2,793,992
    Total number of deaths from ALL CAUSES IN 2020 = 3,128,646

    What was the reason for the 334,654 increase (greater than 10%) in people dying from suicide, falling of ladders, car crashes etc over the 2019 numbers?

    https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Weekly-Counts-of-Deaths-by-State-and-Select-Causes/muzy-jte6
     
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    Hundreds of thousands have fallen off cliffs. That's my guess.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Several writers disagree with your claim that deaths from all causes has remained stable during this last year.
     
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    I did not say anything about anything being stable. A 12% increase in number of deaths from all causes in one year is significant
     
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    Several writers and sources disagree with that number.
     

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