How much would a border fence cost? Would $182,000,000 be a good start?

you don't think that we knew for certain that "shock and awe" rained down on the city of Baghdad for days on end was going to kill a whole bunch of civilians before we launched it?

 

Your concept of trailer park Republicans is not accurate. I'm not sure that's an actual demographic.

Anyway, I've already responded to the issue about who in the GOP is pro amnesty. Apparently it was too nuanced for you.

 

not sure? then why question it? It is more sarcasm than fact, but I guess that was too nuanced for you, eh?

Bottom line: there are a slew of righties on here - and elsewhere - that actually think that we're gonna build a fence or patrol the border with drones or deport a bunch of cheap labor back where they came from. They do that because the GOP leadership TALKS about stuff like that all the time, and huffs and puffs when Obama signs his executive order... and the gullible morons on the right actually believe that their party's leadership shares their disdain for illegal hispanics, when nothing could be further from the truth. The LEADERSHIP and the MONEY behind the GOP LOVES cheap hispanic labor and they will never do anything willingly to wean themselves off of it.

 

War is ugly, and they were warned. We warned Nagasaki and Hiroshima when we bombed them also, but sadly few heeded our warning

 

Yes, eVerify stays in effect until the new system comes on line - obviously the way it SHOULD work, right?

Yes, they may call the new system by a different name, but it does what eVerify attempts to do, only better.

So, there is no gap and your whine that the new system won't be instantly available comes with no substantiating evidence beyond the FACT that systems such as that do require time to develop.

 

Allen West is seriously stupid if believes a 2k mile fence can be built for that amount of money unless it is made of a single strand of barbed wire.

 

The Republican leadership says we're going to use drones and deport everyone? Who is this Republican leadership? Boehner? McConnell?

As far as the fence goes, Congress actually did pass a bill and funded it.

 

E-Verify is a voluntary system and stays voluntary under the senate bill. So...the senate bill basically does nothing with it.

As for the new imaginary system years and years down the road, what is the purpose of getting rid of E-Verify for a new system that isn't even planned yet?

The answer is obvious, but I'm pretty sure you won't be able to figure it out.

 

we purposely targeted civilians. You said we didn't do that. You lied. It's that simple.

 

Who gives a (*)(*)(*)(*) what it'd cost...it'd be worth it.

Cut the free-(*)(*)(*)(*) funding to the deadbeats and build the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing wall.

 

No I didn't, because if we targeted them, we would not have warned them, and they would all be dead. It is that simple

 

Nonsense. The current eVerify is left to be voluntary because it is a faulty system that needs to be replaced. It can't be mandatory in its current form. The senate bill contains the money, the mandate for its use, the penalties for not using it, the direction for policing it, etc.

Please substantiate your claims of:
- "years and years down the road.
- "isn't even planned yet"

By blocking the vote on the bi-partisan comprehensive immigration reform, Boehner is causing NO PROGRESS on eVerify to be made - progress that the bill specifies as a requirement.

What's happening here is that the GOP is demanding that we not get the reform we desperately need - employment security, border security, visa system overhaul, handling of those who are living among us without documentation, etc.

ALL these parts are important. NONE of them stand on their own as solutions.

 

Both cities were military targets.

 

I warn you. I then take out my rifle, and I aim at you and kill you. warning or not, that is called "targeting". We dropped ordnance on a city we knew was filled with nearly 4 million civilians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NktsxucDvNI

 

War kills civilians. It's been like that since war started. You're going to have to get over that. It's physically impossible to fight a war without civilian casualties.

 

There is a line being crossed (both legal and moral) when civilians are targeted.

Targeting civilians is what terrorists do - it is part of the definition of terrorism.

 

1. Who says E-Verify needs to be replaced?

2. Why should I substantiate the lack of information that proves my point? There is not next system. If you think there is, you can prove it.

3. What do you care about the Senate bill? By your own admission, any immigration control is racist, so shouldn't you just be in favor of repealing all of the immigration laws?

 

1. Employers, labor groups and congress agree eVerify is too flaky. Whether the update causes a name change or whether it is a full replacement vs. modifications is completely irrelevant. Don't get hung up on "replaced" vs "improved". The point is that eVerify will remain active and significant necessary improvements will be made - IF a bill passes to do so. Otherwise, it sits there being a broken and voluntary system as it is today.

2. I have not seen an employment verification improvement implementation schedule in the comprehensive immigration reform bill. The bill is big and there might actually be one! Either way it is NOT evidence of it being neglected. It IS common for stuff not to get done when congress won't pass it! EVerify will NOT improve without there being a plan, a budget and the laws requiring its use, penalties and enforcement.

3. Careful, buddy. I did not say anything of the kind. For now, I'll assume that was just a mistake on your part.

 

To ANYBODY who thinks a "fence" is the answer to the border problem...
Visit West Texas and then advocate a fence! I DARE you!

 

Yes, that is true. Targeting only civilians in order to strike fear into the public, is the definition of militaristic terrorism. That would mean declaring a war on only civilians.

 

I don't know that there are any specific complaints about it (other than using it all together) from a technical end, since the Federal government has not made it mandatory. If there are some issues you didn't document them. The point with getting rid of it in favor of some other system that's not under development is simply to not have any verification. That is what the Senate bill does.

Well since you just read the entire bill last week, I assumed it was fresh on your mind if there was anything about it in the bill. The point is that there isn't another option planned.

Actually you're right, sorry. I've got multiple conversations going on immigration and got you confused with someone else.

 

So we cannot afford things according to the right. But putting a fence up like they did in Communist Russia is okay and now we can afford it? This has nothing to do with illegals. This has to do with keeping America white and nothing more. Sadly the racist which are a majority of Republicans see this country being exactly what the founding fathers wanted i.e freedom for the masses. Yet they know they will not vote for these radicals so they want to put a fence up to keep them out. Now lets not forget that for 30 years they had control and our President gave the house two years to come up with something and they did nothing.

Facts are facts they enjoy the cheap labor but do not want them to have the right to vote, healthcare, or benefits, or citizenship. slavery never ended they just changed the way they went about it.

 

just so we agree, you lied your ass off....

 

False. The senate bill does not remove eVerify until there is a stronger replacement.

I pointed this out already.

 

Uh no, I pointed out by page number what the senate bill said on E Verify. E Verify remains as it is now, voluntary. Which means, there is no mandatory enforcement of employment verification. It's not difficult, I've already pointed this out to you. I'm not sure why you're getting confused. I mean, after all, you did read the senate bill last week.