How much would a border fence cost? Would $182,000,000 be a good start?

You're quoting ME and then claiming it proves I'm wrong!!

Interesting technique!

I've said all along that eVerify will not be removed until it is fixed or replaced.

 

Look at the section labeled:
TITLE III—INTERIOR
7 ENFORCEMENT
8 Subtitle A—Employment
9 Verification System

You will find that eVerify will be replaced with a new system that will include improvements to SS documents, photographs, etc., and will be required. That is, if he employer doesn't use it, that will be no defense in prosecutions for illegal hiring.

 

A fence won't work, for all the reasons that are so OBVIOUS to anyone familiar with the topography along the U. S.-Mexican border. The only intelligent way to patrol and secure that border is with the technology provided perfectly by military drones.

Keep America White? There are three (THREE) divisions within the human race: Caucasoid, Negroid, and Mongoloid. Try to absorb just so simple a fact as that, and while you're reflecting on it, remember that Latin Americans are almost entirely Caucasians (i.e., "White").

Now, during which "30 year" period did Republicans have the power to unilaterally dictate immigration policy? Moreover, to this day, we have perfectly adequate immigration laws in effect which, IF ANYBODY WOULD BOTHER TO ENFORCE THEM, would address the "problem" perfectly. Think...

1. They want to work here and remain citizens of the country they came from? Sign them up and give them work visas.
2. They want to immigrate here and become citizens of the U. S.? There is a well-established process for becoming a naturalized citizen of the United States.
3. They want to illegally invade the U. S. and slime their way onto American welfare systems, get their offspring into American schools, work "off the books" and contribute nothing to the United States? Round their asses up and ship them the hell out of here!

Slavery? Are you out of your mind? Nobody is making any of these illegal aliens stay here! If they want to get away from our "slavery" the road is just as wide leaving here as the road they sneaked in on....

 

Explain yourself. Showing how butthurt you were by whining about war/civilians doesn't make me a liar. How many villagers died in the Roman kindom from enemy forces?

 

you stated we did not target civilians. That is demonstrably false simply given the video of shock and awe in Baghdad. I am not butthurt at all. I merely point out that you are a liar and showed you video that proves it.

 

Back on the OP....voters in Florida showed how "seriously" they took Allen West.

 

The target is the enemy. That's it. The civilians around the target are not a target, hence why we use the term CIVILIAN. So you are the liar. Civilians are NOT the target, the target is the enemy, surronded by innocent civilians.

It's like I'm debating with a rock.

 

We have a Commerce Clause. Why are we losing money on Commerce at our border?

 

do we have ordinance that is smart enough to fly into a restaurant and only kill the enemies and not kill the civilians that are also dining there? If our ordinance is not that smart, and we attack a restaurant where we think Saddam is dining, and we kill everyone in the restaurant AND everyone in the apartment building next door, then we certainly WERE targeting civilians. Does the mere fact that you have dinner at the same restaurant as your country's president automatically make you an enemy? Of course not. Trying to wiggle away from that fact is asinine.

 

Now you're DEFLECTING. You said that the civilians WERE THE TARGETS. That was a LIE. The civilians die because they are AROUND the targets. It's why the term "civilian" was created. And to answer your question, no there is no bomb that can seek out only the target, however, reducing civilian casualties is core mission in military engineering.

Also, sometimes intelligence is wrong, causing a civilian to die because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

Why not end our War on Drugs to pay for our fence?

 

when the target is a public restaurant during the dinner hour, the civilians dining inside are targets as well. Saying otherwise is silly.

 

The target was not the restaurant, the target decided to go to a restaurant. You aren't grasping this. The target is the enemy. It's not our fault where the enemy goes. It's a matter of opportunity. Stop lying and saying civilians are targets. It's simply not true.

 

and if the targeted enemy decided to go to an orphanage, that'd be cool with you too? A children's hospital? a kindergarten?

 

because, if you draw a big bullseye the diameter of the kill circle for a cruise missile around your "enemy", and you KNOW before you fire the weapon that there are civilians inside that bullseye, then you are, in fact, targeting them. You put them in your crosshairs and fired your weapon at them. Restaurant diners, orphans, sick children, school kids. all targeted.

 

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Let's get back to what you said about E-Verify:

I went and showed you by page number in the bill what the references to E Verify were. The Senate bill changes nothing about E Verify, a voluntary program, except eliminate some years down the road in favor of some as yet undeveloped system. So no, you've not said all along that E Verify will be removed until it is fixed or replaced, unless you count after I told you that.

Having just read the bill a week ago I would have thought that would be fresher on your mind.

Again, I told you that!

This is like a ridiculous game of telephone in which I tell you something, then you turn around and tell me what I just told you.

 

When did I say I was "cool" with any of this? I called you out for lying. Maybe you did it unintentionally, but you were not factual. Civilians were NEVER the target. They are CASUALTIES. Big difference.

I hope that helped clear up your confusion.

 

You're trying to play nonsense games.

The bi-partisan bill passed by the senate and negotiated with House Republicans will (if passed) ensure that there will continue to be an employment verification system that is at least as powerful as eVerify.

As per my citation of the bill, the verification system will be made stronger over a 5 year period, and will include law requiring employers to use it - including the associated penalties, policing and employee documentation improvements.

At NO time will we be without an employment verification system. Period. And, the system will become stronger due to this bill.

 

Well the senate bill is now dead as a door nail, so you reading the entire thing last week seems pointless, but no; the E Verify was going to stay what it is, and the new system, whatever it was going to be, would be years and years in the future.

 

"Years and years"? It would be phased in over 5 years. Read my cite. Please note that it called for photographing those with SS cards as well as significant database improvements - both in design and in content. These things require design and implementation time.

The bill is not all THAT dead. It represents the most advanced work on immigration we have.

If someone wants to improve legislation on employment security, they are going to be using this bill as a serious starting point. A lot of work (and negotiation) went into it. It is a common point of understanding between legislators, industry and labor interests.

And, the time line for secure employment verification is not going to get faster by having it fail in congress.

 

bull. If civilians exist within the CEP of the weapon fired at the enemy, they most certainly are targets. We are purposely aiming a deadly weapon directly at them and then firing it. You can wiggle around all you like, but that's what we do to targets. We knew if we shot the missile that they would certainly die and we shot it anyway.

 

You can twist words all you want, it doesn't make your falsehoods and more right. No civilian was ever our target of fire. They were a casuality of eliminating the target. There is no debate to this.

 

where is the money going to come from? we already know the right doesn't really believe in magically printing enough money to make more money and calling it capitalism.

 

it is a distinction without a difference, either ethically or practically. If you know civilians are within the CEP of the weapon you are firing, and you fire it anyway, you are, de facto, targeting the civilians that are there. You can claim that the children in the orphanage or the diners in the restaurant went REALLY the targets of your cruise missile strike, the fact of the matter is that they were in the bullseye when the missile was launched and they were, therefore, targets of the airstrike. If claiming that the diners in the restaurant that Saddam was not even present at and were killed by the cruise missile that struck that restaurant were not really "targets" of the airstrike... if that lets you sleep the sleep of the righteous tonight, good for you, but we both know you are self delusional. We launched cruise missiles at a restaurant we THOUGHT might be where Saddam was dining that night, but we KNEW that civilians would, in fact, be there. We targeted them. We killed them. And you are totally OK with that. THAT disgusts me. Sorry. But sweet dreams... if that is what it takes.

 

I can't believe you're still trying to beat around this bush. You flat out lied, were called out, and now are deflecting and telling me what I'm "OK" with, when I never stated my personal feelings.

Fact: You said the civilians and the restaurant were targets.
Fact: The enemy was the target. The target was not "Operation kill everyone in the restaurant". It was for Saddam. The civilians are called "casualties". It's a shame your education didn't teach you that word.
Fact: Terrorists hide amongst civilian populations in order to increase civilian deaths. It helps recruitment
Fact: You're a liar, and now everyone knows it.

This argument is over. Once you were called out on your blatant lies, you then decided to attack my opinions which I never even disclosed. It's pathetic how people will go through great lengths to deflect from a loss. It's time for maturity. Best of luck on your future endeavors.