How psychotic is the US regime?

The only part of this against which I firmly stand is the notion that some kind of demolition was performed on the WTC buildings. It wasn't necessary - NIST's analysis of the collapses makes sense, including for building 7, which was severely damaged by debris from the towers. As with the towers, its remaining structure eventually gave way at a key point and gravity did the rest.

 

Very good post, imo, lots there, and thanks for it.

To pick out one part to answer, 'why does it go on', I would answer as follows.

It seems to me that what the objective is, is to almost make some sort of warped world franchise, in which nations would lose more of their own identity, culture, history, etc, etc, to be replaced by the culture of...plutocracy.

It does not suit to have countries that are resistant to this, such as Iran, or Libya, and so, either through direct action, or through trying to destablise the country, perhaps through the application of savage sanctions, these nations must undergo 'regime change'.

It does not suit plutocrats and criminal bankers, such as Goldman Sachs, for a nation like Libya, to have it's own central bank, which was not answerable or owned by Goldman Sachs, or such an institution, in any way.

That is..no use...to them.

No use...at all.

Nations who have a true central bank...need to go.

Nations who have their own indepedent Gov...they need to go.

Anything that gets in the way of that, anything at all...is to be either diluted down, destroyed, or laws formed, to crush it.

When they spoke about 'globalisation', what do people think was really meant?

They meant....this.

The sanctions placed on Iran are so unique, so savage, that it could be argued that they are, in themselves, an act of war.

What Zionists in the US are doing, is basically imposing these sanctions, to create internal strife, which leads to regime change, meantime, Zionists in Israel are sort of looming around in the periphery, like an 800llb ape, brooding and threatening.

This, as you seem to understand well, is part of the reason why Iran have friends.

China.

Russia.

The Chinese and the Russians, aside from oil reasons, they know that this rampant scenario is sort of like a parody of consumerism in grotesque form, it will never stop desiring to do what it does....even to China or Russia.

And they do not want that.

Neither to Iran.

Neither do Cuba.

But the consumptive monster will not stop, it is....addicted.

Addicts act in an irrational and ultimately self destructive manner.

Imo - these addicts, that have usurped your country, they will go the same way, in the end.

Self destruct, due to their addiction being so strong, that they make one mistake too many, with too many.

Jack

 

And here you go again, Mr I Was In International Relations, hitching a lift...on a man I put on ignore ages ago, for reasons that I am happy to share with you, if you care to know.

You are making some bad choices to allign with on here.

Btw.

What do you spell like an American?

It's a fair question, is it not?

And who did you vote for at the last election, since you are such a fan of the system?

I would be interested to know.

Lastly, it may interest people to know, that when cornered into citing a man in politics, who TMR believes is a good example of a politician, he cited the self serving, bombastic, wannabe Fidal Castro, pompous, and entirely fringe...George Galloway.

A man who went on the most god awful programme on this dumbed down planet, and did this...

[video=youtube;E-D5XoNWFSQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-D5XoNWFSQ[/video]

Yes, well done, HURRAH, I for one am going to throw my weight behind....him!

Lol.

 

Conversely, I often use British spelling conventions. Doesn't make me a Brit.

 

"What Zionists in the US are doing, is basically imposing these sanctions, to create internal strife, which leads to regime change, meantime, Zionists in Israel are sort of looming around in the periphery, like an 800llb ape, brooding and threatening."

Sanctions can only be effective if the World Community collectively implements them. The Iranians have found numerous ways to export petroleum, which is being priced in non dollar denominated currencies. This is known as the Petro Dollar Thesis, whereby since the Nixon Shock of 1970; the U.S. Dollar has been backed by Oil and other commodities. I would suggest William Clark's Petrodollar Warfare for a strong analysis of the subject.

Following the Gulf War, Economic sanctions were implemented against Iraq. Their effect was minimal, the sanctions acted as essentially a protective tariff on domestic business. ISI was pursued effectively with manufacturing items and Saddam used his absolute control to gain more and more control over the economy through the 1990s. Particularly with agriculture, almost 75% of Iraq's crops were grown in the center of the country, which was where the Baath Party, loyal to Saddam, operated. This allowed the Shi'a threat to remain under control.

The sanctions against Iraq did not cripple the nation with inflation. Rather, Saddam implemented state planning and some brutal policies to ensure domestic stability. In Iran, you also must note that the country has developed petrochemicals, fertilizers and other advanced means to continue the production of food. Ultimately, Iran is still exporting Oil. So the sanctions are not having the desired effect.

Will regime change ultimately occur in Iran? To be frank, I sincerely doubt it. But the U.S. & Israel do not have to "Win" the War". The most effective thing the U.S. can do is continue to impose a threat on Iran, which forces the regime to devote an extensive budget to Defense. Despite the saber rattling, I would argue the U.S. is more concerned with Iran's expanding interest in South America. Congress passed unanimously, a real achievement given the partisan divide, H.R.3783 -- Countering Iran in the Western Hemisphere Act of 2012 (Introduced in House - IH).

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.3783:

 

That is true.

However, it is v rare for someone educated here, to do it.

 

I get the impression from my favorite German-English dictionary (dict.leo.org) that the English do sometimes use American spelling conventions, which makes some sense given how influential this country has been internationally throughout modern history.

E.g.:

to modernize AE
modernise BE, also: modernize BE

http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&search=modernisieren

... where AE = American English and BE = British English.

 

To be totally honest, in the grander scheme of things, I am really not that bothered.

 

OK, you will need more than copy paste here if you want to make a valid claim so fire up your gray cells now..


Why is any of what you said "coincidence"?


To make such claim you need to suspect Israel in the first place, naming Israelis that were in the area or in office at the time is just a list unless you have reason to suspect Israel in the first place , so why do you suspect it?


I appealed to your logic that dancing kids are not gov agents - its not "coincidence" if they are just Israeli kids

I thought you meant Zim hoped to save Jew lives when it sold its floors that why i gave you the math that 300 Jews died anyway from reasons no one can prevent in you crash 2 Airplains into a building, but now i realize that your claim was even more ridiculous - they did it to save a buck!


Israel planned it for years invested huge a mount of money and facing the greatest risk of all = losing the support of its biggest ally that happens to be the power no 1 on the planet! -would risk exposure to save some money! really Jack??? really????


The two claims above are no "coincidence" its just two things that happened, and they lose in the test of logic as part of some plan - unless you can explain them to me

What did Israel benefit from that so much that it would worth the risk of losing and make an enemy of its already closest ally? Afghanistan???? why would we care from that corner of the world? they support terror? so what, I live 100 miles from armed and trained terror organization that would love to kill me, a 100 miles! not 5000 miles!, Iraq? America went there for Oil just like the first time. what it did gain, more support perhaps (not sure at all) was not worth the risk of pulling such an operation because we are already best buddies.

This kind of move would destroy Israel and no one would risk turning the US from ally to an enemy for so little gain, the mere thought of it is crazy, sorry


lets not forget that the guilty part admitted and celebrated the occasion - so what have you got aside from your hatred to Israel?


Jews that are gulity of being ex Israelis (some may still be) in office at related jobs:

Lewis M. Eisenberg (born 1942) (JEW - Chairman of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey at the time of the September 11, 2001

You say he has a friend that was in the Hagane, You say Hagana was a terror organization because during the war civilians were killed, that;s hardly the definition of terror organization that blows civilians in purpose - you now hint that since he is a "terrorist" he can blow the twins. you use a known definition of word "terror" twist it to fit something else and than back again to the casual definition, its not the first time you tried to pull this off - the "blood diamond" trade - you tried to use a known phrase to something completely different.

What can the Chairman of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey do anyway? can he stop ppl from getting on planes? can he pass them without anyone knowing he passed them?

BTW, I assume there were no Jew fire fighters in New York at the time or you would probably have enough to go to court

 

And it never crossed your mind that those little "z" could be the mark of Zionism?

Catch up, will you

 

.........I think you call them "freedom fighters"? that happened to release tapes stating they will do it, then tapes that they did do it, then more attacks around the world, I mean who gets arrested and admits these things with pride? actors?


oh yea, I forgot , the jewish guy made a million from that, killed thousands, risked his own death should it be found out, the destruction of his state, but he made a million......right open the gates and release those that admitted we found a jew here....

 

Gilos.

Once again, you seem to begin from a false premise, which you then impose onto me.

Your false premise, on this occasion, actually there is more than one, is that I must not think that anyone died in 911 who happened to be Jewish. Even when I conceded the fact that they likely did.

Fireman probably, as well.

So did Muslims, and so what?

Do you honestly think that if there was Zionist involvement in this, be that through Mossad or whatever, that they would really give a stuff about killing some Jews, along with others?

Of course not. You have to understand, that this sort of mindset, it DOES exist, it is real, and it's the Dark triad personality type.

So please, let it go with the false premise that I do not think any Jews died, and let it go with your hopeful idea that they would not happily kill YOU, Gilos, if it somehow furthered THEIR aims. It doesn't, so they likely won't.

It is not about 'suspecting Israel in the first place'...

I can tell you this though, that if this were a normal investigation, there would have been more than one suspect, and all evidence, would have have been fairly looked at, and involvement other than scary Muslims, would have been followed, as a line of enquiry.

And never forget this.

The first country to be invaded, occupied, have their cities smashes to bits, and their people put in prison, and tortured...Iraq.

Who had nothing to do with anything.

But in the blood frenzy, that was whipped up, a dumbed down people do not think it through.

A few emotive statements, an implication, some lies, and that is enough....to condemn...lord knows how many innocent human beings to death.

Now.

I would assert that there is MORE evidence of Zionist/Mossad/Israeli involvement at 911, than there was that Iraq had WMD and were a threat to America.

What do you think?

 

You see why you irritate people.

You ASK a question.

And you give that BS response to what I wrote here, why do you not address each point, Gilos?



Was it....Muslims? No.

Was it...American people? No.

Was it....Larry Silverstein? Yes.

Was it...the arms industry? Yes.

Was it criminal banks, who are really financial terrorists? Yes.

 

I don't 'hitch lifts' with anybody, least of all brainwashed Zionists like Bograt who, for instance, continue to believe that the Iranian president desires Israel to be wiped off the map. So go take your slurs elsewhere. No, the difference between me and you is that you are blinded by your own bigotry and prejudices as much as the fools like Bograt you rightly ridicule. You refuse to listen to reasoned points of view because your pe-conceived agenda is as rigidly entrenched as the views of the bigots you oppose. You have many valid arguments but your overall stance is often undermined by your tendency to couch your reasoning within the framework of conspiracy theory.


I spell organization with a z, for example. Why do you ask?

I'm not a fan of the system. Quit putting words into my mouth. You see that's another illustration of what conspiracy theorists frequently do. They think they read arguments or positions that were never made. Another common trait of conspiracy theorists is their tendency to emphasize (there's that z again, so I MUST be an American...LOL) relatively insignificant negatives, while the far more significant positives are conveniently dismissed. Your crude put down of Galloway adheres to this pattern. So in this way, for example, his virilant opposition to the Iraq war from which he was expelled from the Labour Party are brushed aside, while his time on Big Brother is emphasized.

In the last election I didn't vote.

 

I was floored! I never knew that the rot has reached such depth in the Obama administration.
I am rushing to post what I received from the Shoebat organization which urge anyone to watch one of Frank Gaffney speeches on this subject, American is on a slope, and unless it stops the results does not augur any good news.

Please watch this VIDEO, take the time to watch it and give the rest of the readers your impressions...

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Frank Gaffney and Geert Wilders at Western Conservative Summit
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Ever wonder why Western Politicians cater to Islam?
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I wont go in your ideas about ppl that work for the Gov, fyi they are ppl too and they live in normal houses not nuclear shelters - but never mind that now..


That means that Zim sold its floors for money, after the vast investment Israel would have put on such an operation - It withdrew from the 16+17 floors to make a quick profit? if Israel was behind it you really think it will calculate a few dollars and risk exposure? that will be like robbers delaying in a bank to get all the small change after the main safe has been drained and the alarm is on.....,
you made a claim - try defend it logically or withdraw from it, don't use it if you cant explain it.

OFC its not "about" it, its about your theory that Israel did it, but all you gave is a list of Jews and Israelis that were in the area when it happened, no different that a list of Portuguese citizens (or descendants) that were in the area, worked as police officers, fire fighters and why not check for Portuguese flight passengers? , YOU put all the Jews and Israelis in the area in one bag and then say "it cant be a coincidence they are all in one bag!", do you see the failure of your argument? it has to come from a pre-made decision that Israel is behind it in the first place.

There are some scary ppl that happen to be Muslims that are behind it, it means nothing about other Muslims or Islam, nothing, I hate explaining how good a group of ppl are cause it always sounds racist, but really its not about "evil" Muslims, there are alot of ppl around the world that are pissed on the US, pissed on Israel, pissed on UK etc' etc', MOST have good reasons to, if they didnt they might not be so focused and decisive on their goals, and yes, admit that some do terrible acts, just like 9/11 that I guess all Muslims condemned.

Iraq had nothing to do with it, I remember that I was surprised when I heard Bush speaking against Iraq, I figured back then that the US identified a chain of gov supported terror organizations the Saddam supported too, maybe the US aims to "clear" the threat for once and all, it goes with the cowboy philosophy...,

Many innocents died but at least they got rid of their Tyrant, judging by Syria, if Iraq tried to overthrow Saddam alone, it would have - I think - meet and even exceed the war casualties - so maybe there is comfort in that.

I don't know what evidence the US gov gave to the public, I saw a movie once that it showed trucks moving pipes that could have been used for nuclear facility, I suppose trucks moving pipes are like smoking Israelis...., if your opinion is that Israel is behind 9/11 as Iraq had WMD then I agree....

 

Hey, ill never trash Muslims or any other ethnic group because you guys think our (Jews/Zionist/Israeli) existence in the world is to bring suffering - so im being sarcastic, take comfort knowing you get to me too.


Muslims - ofc not

American ppl - you mean US gov? no way

Larry Silverstein - is he the one that sold the floors? if he is and lets assume he saved 1 mil $, you need to go throu all the ppl that just bought security/ Arms/Intel tech stock shares just before the attack and made a boundle, you will end up with much more Jews and much more Muslims - which means nothing...


Banks - they make a profit no matter what, in peace or war they will suck you dry, its like accusing the lottery of cheating - they simply don't need to....


Arm Industry - things were not peachy in the middle east or around the world for that matter before the attack, one can promote arm deals for much less than 9/11


you didnt include the Terror Organization - what would it benefit from such a "success" to show that the great America is so vulnerable, to show that a group of 15 terrorists can do more damage than an army could to the US, the "honor" and fear it has back home, they have the motive and the hatred to do it, to actually kill so many ppl can not be taken for granted.

 

Sadly Gilos, your words will be lost. Conspiracy theorists rarely, if ever, follow reasoned lines of argumention. It's like a brick wall with them. What's common is they focus on their preconceived lines of argument whilst ignoring valid logical arguments that run counter to them by swiftly moving on. There is not one single conspiracy theory about 9-11 that has not been debunked.

 

Fair enough. Who was the last man you voted for, at a GE?

 

You just can't help doing this, can you?

You are soooooooo weak.

Stand alone.

Stop hiding behind anyone that will take you.

 

You glibly push aside the blood profit that the arms trade has made since 2001, I can assure you, that Afghanistan was excellent...for exactly that.

What...don't tell me your are still one of those that think pawns were sent out there to 'Fight The Taliban And Introduce Democracy', do you?

Wait...I got it now.....'They are there to flush out Bin Laden'. Toooo funny.

Why are they there? Why are they still there? Why did Obama, the (PMSL) NPP Winner, send MORE troops?

The only winners there? Arms and defence contracts.

Any moron would know that you only get entrenched, in a never can be won battle, by fighting the Taliban, on their own terrain.

Ask Russia for a heads up.

But it was never a conflict TO BE WON, in that sense.

They have 'won'...in terms of what I said before.

They are what they are - profiteers .......from chaos and death.

People need to stop lying that it is some other BS reason.

There was never any noble cause there, none at all, apart from the one that is invented for those with an IQ of 80, who see everything as being like American brave troops, fighting EVIL TALIBAN, to restore PEACE & DEMOCRACY. It is rubbish, such a narrative is so flat, I don't even think it would make a good film.

Makes good 'news' though.

For simpletons.

 

'Evidence'???? How can their be evidence of something that wasn't there? There were never any WMD. Ever. It was farking KNOWN. It was mass murder.