How Republicans plan to steal the election in 2024

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    I can't tell my irony meet her broke it 2400 Mr/hr of irony.

    It seems to be the Democrat thing accuse everyone else of what they're doing. Telling us we're intolerant of illegal aliens after calling the national guard to get them out of Martha's vineyard because they didn't have a leaf blower in their hand. Telling us we're white supremacists while hiding the white robes in their closet.

    Yeah basically you tell what's Democrats are up to buy what they're accusing others of so they probably have a lot of secure national documents to their home and they probably were involved in the Russian thing.

    It's a pretty easy code to crack.

    Heard about what lady suey to keep dead voters on the rolls five bucks it's a Democrat
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    well every single Democrat that was running for president that lost in my lifetime has said that they were cheated and people believed it years after the election.

    Al Gore, John Kerry, Hillary. I bet Hillary still thinks Russians were involved. I'm surprised she didn't accuse Barack Obama being involved with Russians since he beat her too.
     
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    Al gore was, 100%

    I am not sure of the accusations around Kerry

    Hillary said there was Russian disinformation and interference along with coordination with individuals within the trump campaign — all which has been proven.

    All three of them conceded. None of them told their base to fight like hell or they would lose their country, none of them used coded language (such as stand back and stand by, trouble like this county has never seen, the only good republican is a dead republican)
     
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    Democrats have been adept at stealing elections at least since Lyndon Johnson stole a senatorial election in Texas in 1948. If Lying Lyndon hadn't stolen that election from the Republican candidate, Gov. Stevenson, he probably would have disappeared from politics and never become president. Just think -- how could the country have survived without having to go through the Vietnam War? ;)








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    How do republicans make it? The entire media is against you, educational systems, healthcare, the government, the military (according to some), public polls, voting machines, search engines, major corporations, and now democrats have been able to steal every election they have ever won even though you guys were the rightful victor!!!

    It must be a struggle
     
  6. Pollycy

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    Typical radical Democrat dramatics! I cited one election in Texas, in 1948, and now you reply sarcastically that somehow Republicans mean that Democrats "steal every election".

    Let's keep it REAL, shall we? I gave you one very well-documented case of Democrats flat-out STEALING one election. Now, can you respond by naming one equally well-documented case where REPUBLICANS stole an election from Democrats? (This ought to be good) :popcorn:







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  7. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Corpse? Yeah, right:


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    Dem demographics are different than Repub demographics.

    1. Biden is very familiar to us, not a new person, having been a senator for some 30 years and a Veep for 8.
    2. Obama was new, and he would fill stadiums.

    So, our demographic is such that we will come out to see someone who is new, and you can speak well.
    So did Hitler, Peron, Mussolini, et al., history is replete with demagogues garnering large crowds. the 'low information' types are easily persuaded by such persons.

    Proves nothing except that they could utter a compound sentence, Trump can't.
    Well, that only proves to this day you haven't been paying attention:

    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...wave-just-be-a-ripple.603215/#post-1073686145

    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...-at-mar-a-lago.603128/page-19#post-1073686206


    no, Trump started this when he declared, before the first ballot was ever cast 'the only way democrats can win is if they rig the election'.

    yes, a year before the first ballot was cast, he said that, and continued to say that ever rally, even to this day and not a stitch of evidence to prove it.

    also, he continued to hold rallies even after he was president. Who does that? Only a narcissist who pathologically craves attention and applause.

    the man is sick on top of being evil. Yet, you don't even notice.
     
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    You are referring to a primary where fraud allegedly occurred. Johnson wiped the floor with the republican candidate in the general election with a narrower margin compared to previous years.

    1942 Texas Senate election: 95% Dem, 5% Rep
    1948 Texas Senate election: 66% Dem, 34% Rep

    If you want a recent example of republicans cheating democrats, here you go.

    https://www.newsweek.com/voting-red...da-senate-after-election-fraud-charge-1577602

    The margin was only 32 votes. The fraud candidate got 600 votes. Dems wanted a redo. Republicans said no redos because the cheating benefited their party.
     
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    You said, and I quote: “Democrats have been adept at stealing elections at least since Lyndon Johnson” — that is definitely not asserting this was a one off case.
     
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    You don't remember
    "Don't trust anyone over thirty"
    The Age of Aquarius?

    This is what we boomers expected when we were young and stupid:

     
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    The Charge by Trump is that 'the only way Democrats can win is if they rig the election' and that 'Democrats stole the election'.

    Every election will have isolated cases of fraud by both parties, but that doesn't prove the allegation of a massive conspiracy, not by a long shot.

    No proof that any election was stolen by anyone has ever been produced.

    there have been examples of external manipulation causing undue influence, such as Republicans purging voters from the registration lists disproportionally in urban areas due to a technique called 'caging', which was documented in the film ( free on Amazon Prime ) called 'Rigged' and the film 'The Best Democracy Money Can Buy' (Amazon Prime). Whether the purging was sufficient to alter the outcome of an election has yet to be proven, however.

    However, what Republicans are doing now is new, and it is outlined in the video in the OP.
     
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    No they haven't, nor have you any evidence, nor has anyone ever had evidence of that, as least insofar as 'every election', there are isolated examples in history of shenanigans. Hillary's primary and Johnson's Texas election in 1948.

    However, nothing beat's Nixon's sabotage of Johnson's peace deal in Vietnam to prevent him with a success that might give the election to Johnson.

    Nixon, who saw that Johnson, as president, was about to secure a peace deal with Vietnam, just before the election, which would mean it would make him the winner for such an astounding success, it was later discovered that Nixon sent in operatives to persuade the vietnamese to 'wait until the election was over, because if Nixon won, he'd give them a better deal, and they did just that, thus depriving Johnson of that victory in Viet Nam. Well, Nixon did win in 1968 and he didn't get the 'deal' till a few years later ,so Nixon effectively allowed more Americans to die so he could win the president, and thus committed treason to win the election. That pretty much beats any claims of 'democrat stealing the election' by republicans when you have to kill Americans to win an election
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...pired-with-foreign-power-win-election-215461/

    The only evidence, which is true for both parties, are hard ball tactics which amount to external methods of undue influence, methods which are, actually, legal, such as voter caging, removing ballot locations in poor neighborhoods ( repubs do this a lot ) etc etc etc.

    but, the allegation of 'stealing the election' goes to tampering with machines, false vote counts, double counting of ballots, etc, which would mean a massive conspiracy and cooperation of volunteers put in place months in advance in election offices across america, and that notion is absurd. Someone would have blown the whistle, yet no one ever as.
     
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    You are right about the particulars in the 1948 "election"! Back in the 1940's no Republican would have "a snowball's chance in Hell" of being elected to just about anything... I grew up in Texas, and I remember those days when nobody even KNEW anybody who was a Republican! So, sure, the only election that mattered was the Democrat primary election. I guess I should have made that more clear.

    Back in those days, there were two main factions in the Democrat Party in Texas -- those who were loyal to Frankie Roosevelt and the liberal group, and another bunch called "The Texas Regulars" (Coke Stevenson's group), who were much more conservative, and who were adamantly opposed to FDR and his anointed 'acolyte', Lyndon B. Johnson.

    Now, you appear to have a strong case in reference to this situation that occurred in Florida. It certainly seems that some 'dirty tricks' were employed there, but was anything criminal done? If so, why haven't criminal charges been brought? Maybe they will be....
     
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    challenging outcomes isnt 'the end of democracy'... :rolleyes: Its actually an important part of the 'sunlight disinfectant' you mention.

    If you want to know who rules you, just figure out who [or what] you're not allowed to criticize.
     
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    I've got Amazon Prime so I plan to watch "Rigged" and "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy", and then maybe I can make an informed decision. As an aside, even though I'm a rock-solid, right-wing Conservative, I'm not a Republican (became 'unaffiliated' in 2017). Moreover, I have never supported the idea that the 2020 election was "stolen". It was certainly a close election -- especially in some key areas, but I've never seen what I thought was conclusive evidence that the election was "stolen", even though I'm certain that the Biden/Harris administration is rapidly becoming one of the very worst we've during my lifetime.
     
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    In the case of Moore v Harper, which is due to be ruled on soon by SCOTUS, if the SCOTUS rules upholding the 'independent state legislature' theory, it will give state legislatures the power to challenge elections without evidence, set aside election outcomes they do not like based on suspicion alone, and their actions cannot be enjoined nor remedied by any court in the state, supreme, or otherwise.

    You see, it's not the challenge I mind, it's the inability to remedy an unjust challenge which alters the outcome reflecting the will of the people, that is wrong.

    That is not a 'disinfectant', that is the infectant. That is the end of democracy.

    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/moore-v-harper-explained

    What are the broader stakes?

    The immediate issue in Moore is whether the state legislators’ extreme partisan gerrymander will stand in North Carolina. But adopting the independent state legislature theory would also mean that voters across the country have no judicial remedy — in state court or in federal court — to fight partisan gerrymandering.

    The potential consequences could stretch still further. The theory would throw elections into chaos, nullifying hundreds of election rules put in place through ballot initiatives, state constitutions, and administrative regulations — including foundational state policies like the processes for voter registration and mail voting and basic guarantees like the secret ballot. State lawmakers would be able to adopt vote suppression legislation without any checks or balances from state courts or even gubernatorial veto. In other words, the theory would upend key aspects of our elections.



    I have no idea what you are talking about. The only salient point is above.
     
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    Watch both films, and let me know what you think. There is documentation in granular detail.

    The election was close only in the EC, but not the will of the people. Biden got 8 million more votes. and if you are going to argue that the EC isn't about the will of the people, the framers never intended for the minority to win the WH.

    [It is a] fundamental maxim of republican government, which requires that the sense of the majority should prevail. --Alexander Hamilton, Federalist #22

    Therefore, it is my opinion that they deemed that the EC was a 'factions' solution and they deemed that the EC would smooth out the rough edges inherent in a democracy, which they witnessed by scrutinizing what often happened in Athens. If, by chance, a minority would win, it shouldn't happen very often and when it would, it would be the price to pay or the benefit of the EC.

    Thing is, the conditions that existed for the creation of the EC no longer exist. the framers were afraid of 'factions' which is all we have now, two big factions, the republicans and democrats, and neither existed in 1788, when the Constitution was ratified. In my view, the EC has outlived it's benefit. Because of shifting demographics, repubs to rural areas, dems to urban, it's giving the minority an unfair advantage. This could be rectified without diminishing the idea of granting smaller states a bigger voice.

    I disagree with your feelings on Biden/Harris, they are vastly an improvement over Trump. Trump had no knowledge of civics, didn't know basic things that any former president knew, and would make incredibly insane suggestions and ask questions that no president would ever ask, questions that reflect a person with no concept of the separation of powers, or even the what his oath of office actually means questions that reflect utters stupidity. For example, Trump once asked "If we nave nukes why can't we use them?". That's a question the answer of which is a no brainer for all presidents and most reasonably well informed citizens. Trump once asked to Gen Milley "why can't they just shoot them in the legs' ( referring to protestors ) which is an incredible thing for a president to even consider. Then he wanted to confiscate and round up voting machines (like a dictator). I mean, if his latest guffaw that 'A president can declassify by thinking about it' doesn't drive this point home, then, nothing will.

    People are giving Biden a bad rap because of inflation. Well, it's world wide phenomenon and you can't blame Biden for a world wide phenomenon, but you can blame the pandemic. But, Biden got the infrastructure bill passed, and the inflation reduction act ( which was more about other things than inflation. Here, dems were just going by the repub playbook to give a bill a politically savvy name) and the chips act. These are major legislative achievements, especially the Infrastructure Bill. Trump tried for four years, paid lip service, but couldn't achieve it. He was also instrumental in getting the ACA passed, which brought health care to 18,000,000 Americans, which the GOP tried to kill 60 times in the Senate. So, we can disagree on what 'bad' means.
     
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    Oh look at this cute little pile of horse s*** right here..... Now you're undermining democracy
     
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    The exact title is 'Rigged, the voter suppression playbook'. and the other is correct.
     
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    Feel free to refute the following fact:

    In the case of Moore v Harper, which is due to be ruled on soon by SCOTUS, if the SCOTUS rules upholding the 'independent state legislature' theory, it will give state legislatures the power to challenge elections without evidence, set aside election outcomes they do not like based on suspicion alone, and their actions cannot be enjoined nor remedied by any court in the state, supreme, or otherwise.

    You see, it's not the challenge I mind, it's the inability to remedy an unjust challenge which alters the outcome reflecting the will of the people, that is wrong. That is the objective of Republicans.

    That is the end of democracy.

    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/moore-v-harper-explained

    What are the broader stakes?

    The immediate issue in Moore is whether the state legislators’ extreme partisan gerrymander will stand in North Carolina. But adopting the independent state legislature theory would also mean that voters across the country have no judicial remedy — in state court or in federal court — to fight partisan gerrymandering.

    The potential consequences could stretch still further. The theory would throw elections into chaos, nullifying hundreds of election rules put in place through ballot initiatives, state constitutions, and administrative regulations — including foundational state policies like the processes for voter registration and mail voting and basic guarantees like the secret ballot. State lawmakers would be able to adopt vote suppression legislation without any checks or balances from state courts or even gubernatorial veto. In other words, the theory would upend key aspects of our elections.
     
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    No election shenanigans by any party beat's Nixon's sabotage of Johnson's peace deal in Vietnam to prevent him with a success that might give the election to Johnson.

    Nixon, who saw that Johnson, as president, was about to secure a peace deal with Vietnam, just before the election, which would mean it would make him the winner for such an astounding success, it was later discovered that Nixon sent in operatives to persuade the vietnamese to 'wait until the election was over, because if Nixon won, he'd give them a better deal, and they did just that, thus depriving Johnson of ending the war Viet Nam. Well, Nixon did win in 1968 and he didn't get the 'deal' till a few years later ,so Nixon effectively allowed more Americans to die so he could win the presidency, and thus committed treason to win the election. That pretty much beats any claims of 'democrat stealing the election' by republicans when you have to kill Americans to win an election

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...pired-with-foreign-power-win-election-215461/

    The article also explains why Johnson, after finding out about it, didn't challenge Nixon.
     
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    so you're exactly like a trump supporter it's just the wrong because you disagree with them.
    so your conspiracy theorist as well?

    Why is it a threat to democracy when the other side does it but not when you do it
    Pretending someone saying some magic code in language that only you can decipher but somehow you're not meant to got to conspiracy theory.



    The fact that you have to jump through that hoop to convince yourself of whatever nonsense you believe is pretty sad.
     
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    Oh, believe me, I loathed and despised MUCH about Richard Nixon and his boundless stupidity! The back-to-back tragedy of those those two, he and Johnson, created the backdrop for many of our ongoing miseries to this day -- and I've lived through all of them.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can acknowledge and accept facts so not really…

    I also didn’t storm any buildings, didn’t whine about it online for years, and understood why it happened. History pretty much agrees SCOTUS’s involvement was irregular.

    Because I am stating facts? Ok
    You realize all of this has been proven, yes?

    What specifically are you speaking of?

    The FBI and DOJ also seem to be able to decipher it. As is the majority of the nation.

    Coming from someone of such caliber I will take that as a compliment all day long :blowkiss:
     
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    No you can't you are clutching onto a conspiracy theory from 22 years ago.
     

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