How Should The Democratic Party Win Back Less Educated Whites?

And anyone who values "The Wonder Years" type values
may as well not look to the Democratic Party for a welcome.


We Don't Need No Middle Middle Class say the witches of the DNC
and their Gay agenda alum


Tell me it ain't so

 

I'm surprised you chose a more recent vintage show (even if it was 30 years ago now) than, say, Ozzie and Harriet or Leave It to Beaver. Donna Reed is one of my personal favorites as far as beautiful actresses of old go, but I found her show sappy, I'm sorry to say.

It's interesting that the same bunch who defended the commies in the 80s are defending the muzzies in the 2010s. It's almost like they like being on the wrong side.

 

There is also 'mis-educated', which means you spend the first quarter of your life learning useless crap and the rest of your life gradually having to un-learn it.

 

I think the major thing the Dems should offer less educated whites is education. Free college should be our platform's major plank. That and marijuana legalization on the Federal level, it's amazing to me how many people seem to think it's legal but you can still lose your house in most states if you are caught growing a few plants to alleviate your chemotherapy nausea

 

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Elementary school is using time. High school is wasting time and College is killing time with a hammer. OTOH all knowledge is useless, until we have a use for it.

 

There is a definite anti-intellectual bias (That is what props up that residue of science deniers) but Trump's enthusing that he "loves the poorly-educated" is amply justified by the empirical data.

The demographic disparity in the 2016 presidential election was stark. Whilst the best-educated states - Massachusetts, Maryland, Connecticut, etc. - voted, overwhelmingly, for the Democratic candidate, the least-educated supported Trump in impressive percentages:

Least-Educated States​

1. Alabama 62.1%
2. Arkansas 60.6%
3. Louisiana 58.1%
4. West Virginia 68.5%
5. Mississippi 57.9%

https://www.forbes.com/sites/karste...cated-states-in-the-u-s-in-2018/#71499e6051e1
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The Democratic Party has neglected this demographic and must address their plight, not merely pander to their prejudices, if it hopes to win them back.

 

71% of the population 18-24 is currently in college. Don't you think that's already as much as or more than the percentage of the population who should be in college? Don't you think there's a limit to how much education the lower orders of society can use or absorb? Assuming an average IQ of the population is 100, what should the minimum IQ be to go to college? Shouldn't it be at least 100, so no more than 50% of the population is even qualified to go to college? Shouldn't it be at least 115, one standard deviation above the mean, so no more than 35% of the population should be going to college? So many colleges now have to provide remedial English and math to incoming students that they are doing the work the high schools should have done but didn't. You would essentially make colleges do the work junior high schools should do.

Secondly, you are making a major but faulty assumption, and that is that it is education that makes people Democrats. False. A study done by a liberal/conservative husband & wife team found that political changes among college students were relatively rare and relatively random, and unrelated to the political views of the professors, which even I found interesting. Turns out the students are already liberal going in to college, while more conservative young people often find other ways of getting an education/career. This fits in with what Allan Bloom found in The Closing of the American Mind, where his students in college during the 1960s and 70s were far more liberal and far less interested in facts and rational arguments than students were during the 1940s and 50s.

Third, Milton Friedman pointed out that college is a transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich and middle class. Since the poor (read: low IQ) don't go to college, every dollar that is spent on college education is going to the middle class and wealthy. Making college free would only increase and accelerate that transfer. If you want to make college more fair to the poor, you should eliminate federal spending on higher education completely and spend more on trade schools and apprentice programs.

This seems inconsistent with the view above that we should make college free for everyone. If it's killing time, why go?

Right, because making more people into pot heads will increase the percentage of the population that votes Democrat. I'll buy that.

And yet Trump won more of the college educated whites (including women) than Hillary did.

"The average Trump voter is not poorly educated or unemployed, nor does he live in a rural area. Back in May, FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver punctured the myth of the “working class” being Trump’s voter base: In exit polls of 23 states from the primaries, all showed a higher median income for Trump supporters than the national average, usually around $70,000. Exit polls last week, while not definitive, reveal that both college-educated white men and college educated white women voted for Trump by much higher than expected margins." https://newrepublic.com/article/138...ory-college-educated-whites-not-working-class

Looks like your and Ulyanov's theory doesn't hold much water.

 

You're a genuine Victorian it seems and your viewpoint of college student and millenials is just about that outmoded. The days when colleges taught "culture" to the scions of the wealthy are VERY long past. College nowadays is the major ticket to a better job and colleges ARE trade schools in all but name. We of the "lower orders" dominate most colleges nowadays and courses such as Construction Management and HVAC Engineering are crowding out those studies of Medieval literature you probably found so entertaining.

But please, go right on thinking that there is that much of a gulf between you and the plumber who fixes your pipes and probably makes more than you do. We'll know soon enough whether people are more interested in being trained for better jobs or throwing Mexicans out of the country

 

The Democrats race bait against white people constantly. If they suddenly start pandering to them, their plantation will riot. The dnc has written off white people. Expect less and less white people to be voting democrat.

You better do everything you can to keep importing Democrats and keeping the Democrats you have here held down in poverty.

The most anti American thing an American can do is vote for globalist democrats that hate America and Americans.

 

Obviously, some people simply cannot be bought leaving denigration and employing cronyism as the only means reducing their participation in societies/government.

 

Should have taken liberal arts since nuclear power is waning in the US, Russia however, is going strong with fission...Pack yer bags.

 

If the Democratic Party dropped its anti-American ideology, it would be a HUGE step to getting back whites of all educational levels.

 

Care to expand the bumpersticker into examples of what you think is anti-american?

 

Well ... on the border issue, if the Dems would start looking out for Americans instead of non-Americans they would get some voters back.

They would gain support if they didn't criticize Trump's tougher trade policy with China. Chinese companies are free to operate here, but American companies face severe restrictions in China. Changes need to be made.

The Dems need to stop taking the approach that the U.S. is always wrong on every issue.

 

ON borders. Hmmm, what does "looking out for americans instead of non americans" mean exactly?

Getting tough with China on trade and countering their growing geo political/economic competitive influence is a terrific objective that every thinking american should support. Trump thinks bilateral transactional confrontation can achieve this long term strategic goal. Democrats think it can be be achieved thru multilateral trade agreements and strengthening global trade laws and their enforcement processes, while maintaining a counterbalance multinational military alliance/presence in the far east.

I personally think democrats should take a page out of china's foreign aid strategy and (ironically) start building roads and dams and airports and water plants and hospitals and such things, using chinese companies with some local partners, minimizing baksheesh while ensuring quality cost effective development.

No democrat thinks the US is always wrong. What an absurd perception. OTOH, recognizing uncomfortable truths is necessary to the process of continuous social and economic improvement.

 

That's the diff between a Liberal and a Progressive.
Power wise, the Democratic Party has no Progressive voice.


The Democratic Party has sequestered its' Progressives since Bill Clinton
if not before.

 

How does your partisan notion relate to the empirical data?

The demographic disparity in the 2016 presidential election was stark. Whilst the best-educated states - Massachusetts, Maryland, Connecticut, etc. - voted, overwhelmingly, for the Democratic candidate, the least-educated supported Trump in impressive percentages:

Least-Educated States​

1. Alabama 62.1%
2. Arkansas 60.6%
3. Louisiana 58.1%
4. West Virginia 68.5%
5. Mississippi 57.9%

https://www.forbes.com/sites/karste...cated-states-in-the-u-s-in-2018/#71499e6051e1
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- or the thesis that the Democratic Party must find a way to win back the less-educated White voters enticed away by Trump?

 

The Democrats should instead figure out a way of getting the most knowledgeable whites to vote for Democrats. That's where the votes come from for Republicans.

How did Obama get elected and reelected ? Obama won the votes of the low information and the misinformed.

 

Adjectives aside
even a less educated White know when they are not being served.


Hope you will re read the upload to which you replied.
Give them a Progressive and watch them come/vote

 

Your pejorative "even" aside, your concession to my point is noted. Less-educated Whites can comprehend where their interests lie as readily as any other demographic.

If the Democratic Party fails to address their needs, they will have nowhere to go.

 

Very simple. College in America has become a detriment to more than 50% of those that attend. It turns them in to drug addled, left wing lunatics. It erases any common sense they may have gleaned from the largely horrid parenting they received. That poll should say "Whites with common sense 61%" and Whites without common sense...". I've reached a point with left wingers that I cannot be friends with them or associate with them. I tolerate the 1 that works for me, but because of her she's made our entire office severely uptight. She sucks the air out of the building when she waddles in 10 minutes late every day.

 

There has always been the anti-intellectual attitude among some. "Education is bad!" some inevitably rail when the educated do not share their attitudes.

 

While there is some truth that one reason Trump won in 2016 was because of non-educated whites, one must look at the reasons that other people either stayed home or voted for Trump. Think of the new growing class of academics: adjunct professors who earned a PhD and only get low-paying, benefit-less, part-time positions with colleges and universities. And remember that every factory or mill that closes also employs middle and higher level managers who will never work again because of age. The foreign press covered this wider lack of support for Hillary Clinton while the U.S. press simply parroted the Democratic Party's line.

 

Good post and welcome to the forum.

 

There is an interesting article in the current issue of The Atlantic about the gap between the top 10% of American society and the worse-off 90 percent. Unfortunately, those who could most benefit from reading the article are those who will be least-able to understand it and less likely to have the patience to read a long analytical discussion. Nevertheless, for anyone who wants to give it a go, the article can be read online for free. Here's the link.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/06/the-birth-of-a-new-american-aristocracy/559130/