Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by pjohns, May 29, 2020.
"They are globalists" they don't understand what it would do to us to be under China rule.
Excuse me, but:
Then they are too easily "abuse[d]."
The last place that I worked--I retired a little over 15 years ago--I made it plain to both the lead (who was directly over me) and the supervisor (who was over him) that I did not expect for either to look over his (or her) shoulder, and closely "supervise" me. As long as they kept their distance, we would get along just fine.
And we did--until I retired more than 17 years later.
And America has not had these for a very long time now.
They go back to the US founding years.
it takes riots sometimes to get the oppression to stop.
You got to pay more for what you get when it's made by one of your fellow American's who pays into the US treasury on his wages and the Chinese laborer does not -- because we have decent laws that protect laborers from slavery here.
It's entirely righteous, proper, and just.
What you are suggesting, then--if somewhat obliquely--is that we should settle for managed decline (after all, we will be dead in the 50 or 100 years that it may require), rather than a serious push for national greatness.
And as for our debt to China, I would suggest that we consider ourselves at war with that country--just not a shooting war--and act accordingly.
Tell that to Walmart or Amazon. Thanks to bad optics they have started to improve, but still bad.
Well, do you believe that the current situation is emblematic of "a winning tactic"?
I would hope--hope!--that this tactic would prompt reciprocal action from China. (Although, frankly, I am not really sure what might be left for them to do: If we were to purchase nothing from China; sell nothing to China; ban any Chinese people from coming to America; and ban all Americans from traveling to China...well, there is probably not much left.)
And I would hope that it would not end for as long as the Chinese Communist Party has a grip on that country. (Just as Ronald Reagan sternly opposed the former Soviet Union, I would wish to openly oppose China.)
Do you think American should have been dealt with that way because of a history of slavery and human rights violation?
The USA started drowning since not long after Nixon went to China and the congress turned against working Americans.
Nixon did open up trade with China. He also messed up in the Watergate scandal. However, his trade scheme at the time was pure genius.
That's why I said not long after Nixon went to China. He didn't open unfair trade with China, but he made the opening courtesy call which has made all of it possible.
When did the notion of free market capitalism become obsolete on the American right?
Free market Capitalism does not include competing with markets that are not free. Maybe you beg to differ, but Communist China is not free. Their businesses are government subsidized and managed. (Business in China does not go against the whims of the Communist regime) Americans must refuse to compete against enslaved labor. They did so in the American Civil War and they should do that now. We must compete on a level playing field. While we're at it, employers using illegal aliens do the same thing. We are not a truly free market until we recognize this.
Some of their businesses are subsidised, as are some of ours.
Actually, China has started moving the cheap stuff offshore. Sweatshops, things like that. They don't treat their people as well as we would like, but not really that different from what we were doing when we were up and coming a hundred years ago.
We need to manage our trade policy better, but it's complicated. Trump could never understand it, and couldn't pull it off if he did understand it. With any president, the problem is there are very rich people (like the family that owns Walmart) that can basically buy what they want from politicians. The only political types that are serious about this are Progressives, and it's not all that high on their agenda.
We need immigrant workers. I have no problem at all with replacing them, but you need a Progressive era to do that. Why? Because you're going to have to increase the pay, mandate much better working conditions, and reduce their exposure to poisons. Again, while those things are things Progressives like, that would be a hell of a political fight, and frankly it would take a mass movement. IOW, you would have to fight for that, and I don't see that happening.
Oh yeah, free markets are something of a fantasy. When an economy is developing capitalism, they protect their baby industries. If they're smart, they keep developing new business, and find ways to protect it. Solar panels were our thing. But Republicans whine a lot, and China stole what will be one of the world's major businesses right out from under us.
I find it really difficult to take seriously anyone who uses the leftist buzzword, "oppression," describe twenty-first century America...
Nothing to do with leftist buzzword or philosophy.
We don't disagree on that 1 point.
"How we should treat China"
we could send them some of our high carb processed food, and tell them it's healthy
We already do, and not just China.
It's also creating the obesity problem we have... surprise!
Nope. It's too late for that. It's not 1990. Our economy is meshed with China's to a high degree. Although I agree that we need to economically disengage from China, that's a process that will take many years. It can't be done all at once or it will destroy us as surely as it would wreck the Chinese.
But I have never heard of a right-winger speaking of the (supposed) "oppression" of some Americans...
And what is your evidence that it "will take many years" for the US to separate from China?
Then I really want to know more about this "oppression" in America. Has you generation really ever seen it? Or is it something you were told by your educators?
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