How's That TrumpCare Working For Ya?

Most were pissed Obama didn't slap us with Single payer his first 2 years...but back then I don't think America would have warmed up to it, and that woulda made him single term...America had to see the benefit of not being denied due to pre-existing conditions.

The mandate made that possible with the math...without it, covering anyone for everything is not profitable unless they (Insurance company's) charge everyone as if they are already sick...which is what the 50% increase will be.

 

First off....BS......

Second. They repealed Obamacre mandates. They own it now

Third. Trump and almost every republican on a ballot in 2016 ran on "we will repeal Obamacare and we will fix it by giving you a choice." By repealing the mandate they gave that "choice". But they fixed NOTHING. You guys own it now. If its your economy, its your healthcare !!!!!!

 

How's that "voting for the lesser of two evils" working out for ya?

That results in us facing more and more evil choices. And that is how we got to Trump.


Congress: Single digit approval, 98 percent re-election rate.

Go figure.

"Those other guys spend too much on PORK, but my guy brings home the BACON."

We get the politicians we deserve.

 

Thanks to the pseudocon rubes, we will end up with single payer healthcare.

 

Prolly...but with the election of Trump I will never again underestimate the idiocy of a population....we may actually create a worse plan then before Obamacare. Trump supporters are a great majority...and love to vote against their own interests.

 

Trump has always been a proponent of single payer.

I think if he is given a Democratic Congress this year, we will see a lot more of his New York limousine liberal true self.

 

We need to stop trying to figure out ways to pay for healthcare, and start working on ways to control costs.

 

The whole idea of running this through insurance companies is just weird if you ask me.

We give the health care business to insurance companies, which are motivated by MAXimizing profit - the one part of healthcare we're most interested in MINimizing!!!

Then, we try to regulate them to the point where they don't actually harm us too much. And, we regulate them some more to force them to cover people they would rather leave to die. And, we regulate them to not charge so much that a significant percent can't possibly afford it (because maximizing profit means covering only a percent who will pay). And, we force all significant employers to manage healthcare - giving them work that no small employer can afford to do. Why??


All over the world we see systems that don't do it this way - having some variant of single payer and freeing employers of healthcare requirements.

But, instead of picking and modifying one of the many systems that are doing better than we are, we still hand it to those whose ONE objective is maximizing their profit!!! And, then we moan about the high price!


Any dispassionate outside observer would surely conclude were just plain STUPID!

 

Matter of fact..Your open heart surgery may have even gotten your company dropped from the insurance pool, forcing them to shop around with a enormous liability on their hands..they cant exactly fire you now can they? I mean in alot of cases others got fired for such things before Obamacare...but I'm certain you negotiated your employment contract well...your a republican.

 

We should be far more open to understanding how the best systems of other countries work.

At the least, we should know how they control costs.

 

YES!!! That is exactly what happens! And still happens..especially now without the mandate, and the insurance company not being able to drop people for having a pre-existing condition.

Why do you think people say singlepayer is even better for business cause now they don't have to pay for their employees Insurance.

I get an extra $13/hr on my check just cause I denied the health insurance...But I'm a vet, I can do that..imagine if everyone could?

 

How does this meet the criteria for creating a thread in current events?

 

Yes he did. And we had a Republican Congress that was put in office to do so. While he is President and I agree he gets the blame for not making it happen, given he can’t write the bill and left it up to them to write it, they failed him.

Removing the mandate will help a lot of people that can’t afford the ridiculous premiums. Now they aren’t fined or I mean taxed on a product they didn’t buy.

I’ve have not had company supplied insurance since 2003. That plan cost me about $420 a month. When I had to give up that plan because of Obamacare I was paying $387. Yes it went down. First year of Obamacare almost $900. This year $1440. And the product is not near as good as what I had.

 

He gets a "Clinton pass". All threads matter. Maybe it immigrated here from political beliefs and gets to stay because current events is a sanctuary section of the forum. Rules don't matter.

 

Of all the posts here, this is the #1 truth. Every industry tries to profit as much as possible and uses any tactic it can get away with for its bottom line. That's just the nature of business.

The Declaration of Independence makes it very clear that the primary purpose of government is to secure the individual rights of The People. And when it longer serves that purpose it is no longer a government. This (among many, many other abuses) is a clear case of government (DELIBERATELY) failing to secure the individual rights of The People by failing to control the abuses of corporations, in this case the health care industry. The pretend US government is a criminal racketeering organization that is strictly self serving for those in it. Reasonable health care is unattainable for the majority of Americans and that means poor health and early death for most. They are serial murderers in many ways, not just domestically but in their never ending wars. Rights cannot be secured when you are DEAD because of government. It isn't a Republican vs Democrat issue, they are 2 sides of the same coin, they do not work for you and I they work for themselves and are conning you into believing you have a choice.

 

So you finally confessed to what you are. What a swell guy.

 

If this is true...then he may go down as one of the great presidents...

 

Review the Powell Memorandum, the unsubstantial people are most pliable and manageable when under economic duress.

 

ummmmm YES. Thats how insurance WORKS. Obama didn't change that. Thats what insurance IS.

All due respect friend, but you dont even know the most basic construct of what insurance is, and yet your in here claiming that Obama broke "insurance" by cost sharing ? Insurance IS cost sharing.

Doctors didn't stop accepting it, because Obamacare is NOT an insurance plan.

THIS, is why america is doomed to fail. we have people entering the debate, and vehemently support/opposing ons side or the other who don't even understand the subject of the debate.

 

Correct...the Insurance companys are amazing for providing what they provide...

Government with a willfully ignorant population is a problem, the people whom continue to put bad government in power really should start holding themselves more accountable, and quit blaming media.

 

This....costs have been skyrockteting since the early 2000s and Obama actually curbed the rise but it is still rising. With an ever aging population and more people put on medicare and medicaid I would not expect those costs to go down anytime soon either

 

You never did...you paid for being a liability...

That cost just got passed back to insurance company's.

Guess whom they are gonna charge.

 

I don't believe the lack of term limits is causing more "lesser of two evils" decisions.

We're getting more radicalized candidates due to factors such as gerrymandering and partisan effects in primaries.

 

I should get the same care that an illegal alien gets and I shouldn't have to pay for it just like an illegal alien.

 

Not so...........Trumps undercutting the ACA has caused the price increases. To deny that......... you're drinking the Kool-aid

Which if Trump was going to create something better, cheaper for everyone as he campaign on.............No problem.

Sadly Trump creates nothing...............only knows how to tear down.