I’m a Small Farmer From Iowa, Why Does Trump What to Take Away My Health Care?

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  1. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    Stop!
    It is not about free in the matter ... with us there is the legal compulsory insurance and here everyone pays 14.6% of the monthly gross salary health insurance ... of which half pay the company, the other half of the employees!
    If someone is unemployed and / or incapacitated (handicapped, etc.), then it captures our social system and he is also a health insurance without being dependent on welfare here.

    Of course, we also have private health insurance and everyone can supplement with supplementary insurance, the legally guaranteed benefits. The basic medical care and the normal case, however, is secured by the legal obligation.
     
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    got links?
     
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    STOP!
    not sure where you live, but speaking with my colleagues in Denmark...they get killed in taxes to take care of everyone. they do not believe their insurance / medical coverage is that great, especially if you need something done quick. and if they want to get in the front of the line, they have to go outside the system, and pay again. Before obamacare, I had great insurance overage...now I pay 3 times as much!
     
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    How much more are you willing willing to pay through taxes or premiums so they can?
     
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    And that is not insurance is it that is just the coat shifting.
     
  6. Bluesguy

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    Explain how that insurance.
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    "The insurance industry's net margin in 2017 ranged between 3 and 10.5%. Life insurance had the widest range between quarters, from 3% to 9.6%; property and casualty insurance were at 3% to 8%; and health insurance had the narrowest range of 4% to 5.25%. The net margin for insurance brokerages in 2017 was higher than that of the insurance industry overall, at 9.27% to 10.5%.

    Read more: What are insurance sector companies usual profit margins? | Investopedia https://www.investopedia.com/ask/an...in-company-insurance-sector.asp#ixzz5MkOcNN5I

    So no it is NOT 17%

    And how are you going to pay for Medicare for all? His much in taxes are you willing to pay?

    Study: 'Medicare for all' projected to cost $32.6 trillion

    Sen. Bernie Sanders' "Medicare for all" plan would increase government health care spending by $32.6 trillion over 10 years, according to a study by a university-based libertarian policy center.

    That's trillion with a "T."
    https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/study-medicare-bill-estimated-326-trillion-56906940

    You said increasing the pool will bring down the cost, how does that work when the people you bring into the pool already have high cost and they are not paying into the pool.
     
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  8. Mandelus

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    I did not say that our system is perfect in Germany and in the past it was better than today. When I was a kid, I needed a dental brace and it was free. My two sons need one too ... costs me today 2,500 EUR each!

    In Denmark, there is only one state health insurance ... we have about 220 legal choices in Germany which are also some competition with each other. Be it 14,1% instead of 14,6%, moderately it would be individual achievements which they offer in the package, but others not ... or also the prices for additional insurances.
    With us, the statutory health insurance companies in total have made a surplus = profit of 3.1 billion euros in 2017 and that keeps the contribution rates below!

    How did you feel about Obamacare if you or one of your co-insured family members suddenly had a chronic condition requiring expensive medicine and treatment?
    And what about the costs before Obamacare?
    I had to pay about 4,000 Euro health insurance per year in addition to additional packages die alles abdeckten, what is about 4,600 USD! How much did you pay before Obamacare and after it?
     
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    I will only contribute for ONLY those who can not work, because of a physical disability. not because they have 12 kids.
     
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    We are already spending that money. All that is needed is to allow business to buy into a public plan. The savings would pay for the poor.
    There is a reason why we pay so much more than other developed countries and it isn't better care.
     
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    Well,I just tried to get an appointment with a new medical group today (changed jobs). I can be seen. In mid December. Simply out fvckig ragious! The medical group is the largest in my state too. This is simply unacceptable.
     
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    No we aren't already paying those cost and as the linked article shows those cost will be higher because more people will be using their "free healthcare". Now you claimed the insurance companies were making 17%, that is not true they barely make enough to attract investors and I have NO reason to believe that the government sector a government run health system will be more efficient and provide better care.

    Again
    You said increasing the pool will bring down the cost, how does that work when the people you bring into the pool already have high cost and they are not paying into the pool.
     
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    when people lose their jobs, they lose coverage and then would be slammed by health care costs, I do think a public option has to be a choice, then it would not matter what private companies do, the individual mandate was to address the issue you mentioned, more healthy people buy insurance, to spread the risk for those sick... but insurance companies cheered the profits, and still want to get rid of the sick

    with the current pre-existing conditions rules, if you lapse coverage, you have to wait a year to be covered for those conditions, most would not want to wait a year when they got something like cancer or a broken leg
     
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    actually the problem in Iowa now, is that Illinois is going broke, so many on welfare moving to Iowa, welfare only works when a small percent of the population are using it, so even though republicans are in charge, I do not 100% blame it on them, part of the problem across American is corps are outsourcing our jobs overseas and people are buying outsourced products from overseas vs American made

    we need a new "Buy American, Hire American" mindset in America
     
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    No it isn't.
     
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    Trump congratulated Australia for having a Fine healthcare system...............

    USA spends more on Healthcare then any other industrialized nation and gets the worst results

    Trump has sent the ACA cost soaring after trying to undercut the program

    Trump campaigned on creating a better and cheaper Healthcare system for all

    then offered substandard alternatives that didn't cover Pre Existing conditions
     
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    I do not think Republicans will be able to fix healthcare, they would prefer someone else do it, so they can complain it's not good enough
     
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    because republicans controlled Congress the last 6 years of Obama's Presidency, only congress can write those laws, republicans have now controlled Congress for 8 years, and still nothing from them

    if it had been up to Obama we would of had a pubic option
     
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    Which is what we need. I don’t understand why our government (Republicans currently) don’t analyze what works in other countries and what doesn’t and build a system to replace our expensive and failing model.

    Oh yes I do - votes. They care more about winning they they do the country and their base is simply cheering them on.
     
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    There is risk that employers would drop their employee heath care, but then they are already doing that due to cost. I think Business would jump on healthcare that cost half as much. Don't you?
    I didn't make that claim. But of course just having everything consistant would save a lot of money.

    I didn't make that claim either, but when it comes to pools more is better. Not everyone that can't afford insurance is sick.
     
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    It would be very difficult to model a system for us to match the other models. The reason being that most of our healthcare is paid by business. So to make it work you need to have business buy into it. Otherwise it is just a Yuge "tax cut" for business. But if you offered something like Medicare for all to business at somewhere around Medicare cost you would have a winner.
     
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    I have no reason it will "will cost half as much" after all the taxes to pay for it are passed. And consistent does not breed innovation and competition to provide the best service at the lowest cost.

    You
    They are raking in between 3%-10%. How much less should they rake in to provide their service?


    How does increasing the pool bring down the cost, how does that work when the people you bring into the pool already have high cost and they are not paying into the pool?
     
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    The problem is not healthcare the problem is with financing healthcare. Financing healthcare became a problem when healthcare cost started climbing beyond our ability to pay for healthcare.

    In 1970 healthcare costs wete 84.6 billion in 2016 it was 3.3 Trillion.
    Healthcare costs outpaced HDP growth. The rate of cost growth has slowed down since 2008.

    Some of the important reasons for the cost increases in healthcare are medical technology getting more complicated , drug development, aging population. Baby boomers are becoming geezers and geezers cost more to maintain than younger people. More illegal drug also use pushes up costs.

    We are getting to the where we cannot afford to let everyone have healthcare. Those who can afford to pay get it, the others get out of the way.
     
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    Medicare taxes are not sufficient to keep funding Medicare even for the Old and disabled. Medicare funding is being outpaced by the demand and costs. Medicaid is the same way.

    We are getting to the point of where we need to decide who gets healthcare and who does not.m
     
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    The Trump death panel is being formed. Will it become a reality TV show?

    Will winners become losers?

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