I can't be friends with political opponents

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  1. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    If you assert that you have read or seen these fine attributes of character ( the 'good' stuff) over the course of all this time, you should do better than coy little hint words. You should be able to provide links and sources to defend your statement. Its not my job to read your mind and try to figure out what you have seen or read. . Its your claim, not mine. My guess is that there isn't much. Amoral people don't leave a trail of honor in their paths.

    So just get off the pot, and wash and be done. We figured it out.
     
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  2. Le Chef

    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

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    No. You can't just defame someone and dare me to disprove it. The airplane story predates the presidency, was widely covered, and of you refuse to look at up, fine.
     
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    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    delete see below
     
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  4. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    I said I had never seen any evidence of character or decency or honor in the man. I don't have to prove that I haven't seen any because its a negative. Now you said you had heard or read both good and bad stories. Then you provided some coy 'hints'. I am asking that you offer those positive stories that you claim to have seen, that showed this man's character.

    Now either they really exist and you really read them or you did not. Its not my job to look your 'airplane' story that you claim suggests moral character. You made the assertion that it does exist and it proves some moral character in this man. Show your work.
     
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    squidward Well-Known Member

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    Snicker snicker.
    You dont know how this works do you?

    The sun is not hot.
    I don't have to prove it because it's a negative.
    Great logic eh?
     
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  6. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    Wrong analogy. I cannot prove that I ever heard or saw evidence of what the temperature of the sun is , I cannot prove to you that I was never told or taught what the temperature of the sun is, just as I cannot prove that I did not see or hear anything that suggested Trump has moral character. . It is impossible because it is a negative statement. You can prove what you did see or read something you saw as evidence because it is a positive assertion. If Le Chef has seen evidence of Trump's moral character or basic human decency, he can prove that via citations or links to what he saw or heard.
     
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    Poor soul.
    Failed basic logic
     
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    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    The confusion is over a negative, and a universal negative. Universal negatives cannot be proven. That includes the proof of non-existence, which is the case with btthegreat's statement. It cannot be proven that he has never seen evidence or that there is no evidence. It could only be falsified.

    In a similar vein, while it is possible to prove any particular sun is not cold, it is not possible that there are no cold suns - the universal negative. This results from the inability to provide absolute proof of inductive logic. We determine the physics of suns and what makes them hot. Then we test that explanation many times and determine that all observations are consistent with the explanation. Eventually we use inductive logic to conclude that since all observed suns operate by the physics we understand, it is likely that all suns do. We make this assumption but can never prove it. So we have to be open to modifying our science if exceptions are observed some day.

    Likewise, it cannot be proven that ghosts, or aliens, or gods do not exist. In practice, this is why the laws and theories of physics can never be proven. No matter how much evidence exists for a theory, it cannot be proven that no exceptions to that theory exists. For example, it is observed that if you drop a cup, it will fall, But it cannot be proven that no cup ever has failed, or will fail to fall - a universal negative.
     
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    He made the assertion and told someone else that he didn't have to prove his assertion, because it was a negative. Seriously?
     
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    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    Yes, The burden of proof is on you to falsify his claim if you have evidence to the contrary. He can't provide proof that he has never seen something. That is logically impossible. It would be proof of non-existence. There is no such a thing,

    ...but I can't prove it. I can't provide proof that there is no proof of non-existence. That in itself would be a proof of non-existence. So if you find one, you'll get published and be famous in the world of philosophy.
     
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    So, he made a claim he can't logically prove.
    Awesome. Nobody is obligated to provide him jack ****
     
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    You should not be friends with people who impute to you things that you don't imply.
    You should not be friends with people who impute to you things that they, themselves, do not infer from you. You should not be friends with people who misrepresent you.
     
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    if she’s a teenager I would never want her near a man who brags on the radio how he goes into the lockers of teenaged girls..because he can!
    These are more of the reasons why we should have more women in power we don’t grab balls
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    LOL! This is simple logic. I've never seen something. There is no way to prove that. If you can't provide evidence to the contrary, then there is no reason to doubt the initial claim.

    I know, too complicated for you, right trumper?
     
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    The null hypothesis is in effect till evidence is sufficient to reject it.
    Yawn.
     
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    Did you support Hillary? Just imagine if President Trump did HALF of what she skated on.
     
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    No answer huh!
     
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    I bet Monica did, on her knees, in that blue dress.
     
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    if she’s a teenager I would never want her near a man who brags on the radio how he goes into the lockers of teenaged girls..because he can!
    These are more of the reasons why we should have more women in power we don’t grab balls
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    The first line was the answer! I guess it was too hard to recall it was trump who bragged about that
     
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    So you would prefer her with bill.... lol ...good for you..
     
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    Nothing like tobacco residue in the vagina and presidential love on your face and blue dress
     
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    Amen.....
     
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    absolutely...but as I said we need more women in power, we don’t have to be afraid of them..it’s a guy thing!
     
  24. Le Chef

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    Heh, "airplane" in quotes. I like that.
     
  25. Le Chef

    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

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    Okay. You got me. I made the whole thing up. It was a conspiracy among me, President Trump, and Snopes.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-flies-sick-boy/

    Let me tell you how hard it was to find the coverage of this story: I googled sick, child, airplane and Trump. I learned how to do that when I was working for the CIA.

    I didnt get bogged into this negative universal negative logic quagmire because I thought every one knew the story.

    Now what else do you want me to prove?
     
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