I no longer believe in the Virgin Birth of Jesus/ Yeshua!

I did until December 2012 when I read The Thomas Book Near Death and a Quest for Another Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus.......

This book has the potential to transform the relationship between Jews, Christians and Muslims!

 

In November of 2012 I probably would not have believed you if you had told me that within two months I would no longer believe in the Virgin Birth of Rabbi Jesus/ Yeshua.... but then I purchased Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D.'s book and went through a major theological crisis!!!!!


http://www.thomastwin.com/6 A Thomas background.html

 

I haven't and won't vote in the poll but wanted to respond to the inquiry. If I had voted, I might have selected all four boxes, not that I'm skeptical, athiest, Christian, Muslim, Jew, Messianic, or other but I accept the parable of the Christian birth along with the rest of the legend. Let it be.

I accept the Christian faith for others and as a primer for myself. For me, it is a place in time, and a guide for morality. I don't judge its validity. I also accept 'some other' philosophical approaches to man's relationship with his ethereal consciousness.

That you have found alternative in your beleif systems is a good sign that you can seek to grow your understanding of your self.

 

i have read of jesus's brother and the problem is hat is lost in translation in the translation brother can mean cousin or other types of relatives because of the absence of a word for those translations. you can read of people to be shown to be cousins in genealogy in the bible but called brothers.

 

I am truly impressed with your answer Willys!

What do you personally think of the idea that Jesus/ Yeshua might have made the following statement to his disciples?



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I am truly glad that you are looking into this question pakuaman. If you decide to read Bruce MacDonald's book you will begin to see the Christian Bible as being linked not only to Passover and Unleavened Bread.... but also to Yom Kippur... and the Festival of Tabernacles!


http://www.christianforums.com/t7647325/


Yom Kippur/The Rapture connection?!
This is just a theory and I may be wrong but after being highly skeptical of the idea of a rapture for most of my life I am now open to the idea that the Rapture could fit in extremely well with the ultimate fulfillment of the Fast of Yom Kippur.


I could not get my head around this idea until reading the NDE account of Dr. Richard Eby:

 

Everything to do with Jesus is an invented myth to control the so-called religious.

 

That's okay. So long as you still believe in Santa, then Christmas is safe.

 

But isn't it kind of strange that even atheists tend to meet Rabbi Jesus/ Yeshua during a brush with death?

http://www.near-death.com/storm.html

- - - Updated - - -

.... and according to what was shown to Howard Storm...… we are relatively safe from full fledged nuclear war as well!!!!



http://www.near-death.com/storm.html#a04

 

Perhaps...

But Truth is the light for mankind into the future he hopes his progeny will find next the next generations.
Truth is the son of Reality which sires it as it unfolds.
Truth is the image of Reality.
Truth leads men into Reality, and away from the fantasy worlds of lies.

Truth is our Lord, and Reality is the almighty wherein we exist.





"I am the Truth, and the way and the life"... John 14:6?

 

… and truth.... is powerful at humbling all of us...…

(Christian Andreason, chapter 5)

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

 

I wouldn't disagree with a postulation supporting the Jesus/Yeshua statement to his disciples, first because I wouldn't be in a position to challenge the supposition. Second, I don't suspect that Jesus would have been the only soul to cross this planet using such profound commentary. And to add a third, I've been on this journey long enough to realize that my life here, while temporary, is much larger than my ability to contradict nature and second and most profoundly, I do NOT believe in death - or that such a thing exists.

Or, in a very personal sense, the statement fairly reflects lessons I learned early in this consciousness.

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Oh yeah... and I've read the Andreason NDE

 

Wow!!!!!

I am seriously impressed Willys!

I find myself going back again and again to the Christian Andreason NDE account. What he writes has the potential to assist the political left and political right to begin to like each other more and cooperate more as well.

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

 

I lived in Houston at the time Ron Paul entered politics as the Libertarian candidate - his district just south of Houston. I knew at that time that I was a libertarian (small L). However, I vote for a candidate depending on the advantage he/she will bring to the position, whether D/R/L, or independent.

 

I have read that volunteerism in some form accounts for up to thirty percent of the economy of North America.

What do you think of the idea of a group of people attempting to link volunteerism from all over North America to a measuring unit... perhaps an Hour like they do in Ithaca, New York?

In my opinion...… Christian Andreason might be the perfect choice for a prince of a micro-nation who leads the charge to usher in a totally different type of economy. (sorry for taking this thread away from the opening post.... but perhaps you could answer over in this thread:


http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=341564


New Age Communities can print local currencies finance films that address problems?!



At this time I tend to believe that New Age Groups may be the most likely to successfully initiate local currencies and use them to finance film projects in which homeless people could become actors playing the role of homeless people.... .which could easily finance their buying or renting homes????!!!!

… To my thinking Christian Andreason is perfect for such a role based on what he writes about the homeless in chapter 9 of his book:

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

 

I skimmed across the link about 'New Age Communities...' and my initial reaction is that there are all sorts of problems inherent in the concept of volunteerism, communities (not to mention North America), currencies, homes, and a projection into some unrealized time zone.

My most overwhelming reaction is that there won't be any agencies creating and distributing 'alternative' currencies in the U.S., Bitcoin being the most recent evidence of that. As for the time frame, I'm not sure that I can work with a concept of a world organized as we know it today. If anything, I'd expect to see more and smaller countries on any continent. In which case currencies would become a different issue altogether.

Nightmares over a dissolved EuroUnion, turmoil in central Europe, countries south of civilization in worse shape than today - or the last hundred or more years, more than two governments in North America, and a tolerated stability along the western front of the Pacific Ocean.

And I can't fathom on what planet Hollywood is going to pay homeless people to 'play' homeless people. I don't think Hollywood would even admit that homeless people exist. Or maybe they use denial as a basis for amnesty and sanctuary cities.

We've only entered the era of mass communications on a planetary scale. Relationships lost, found, local or planetary are going to be something very different from those of past experience. We're falling further through that worm hole every day.

 

Willys....... your answer is truly brilliant and you have given me a lot to think about....... If you use Facebook.... here is a link that you may find intriguing:

https://apps.facebook.com/forumforpages/191167700916034/3d9a73e2-3876-4c9c-8ee4-59afa9ac22f3/0

Christian meets Albert Einstein during his near death experience.

........... I have gotten the impression that near death experiencers are being shown the answer to all mysteries.... including the one brought up in the opening post..... Actually...… it was a book based on an NDE from page 30 - 60 where the non virginal conception of Rabbi Jesus - Yeshua and his identical twin brother Judas Didymus Thomas was explained in a way that I could finally understand it:

http://books.google.ca/books?id=kbiGjKJl4D4C&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

The Thomas Book: Near Death, a Quest and a New Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus [Kindle Edition]
Bruce Fraser PhD MacDonald (Author)

Up to page 42 of this book can be read for free on the google version of this.... the Amazon version may have other pages available as well.....

 

Willys… may I quote your response into that discussion?

 

Sure, you can use my words, with or without attribution. I don't claim anything I say to be anybody's doctrine, just my own gut feeling. My goal in a spiritual study is more towards escaping earth bonds in tact. Of course, that doesn't happen but the journey would be an adventure.

If anyone finds something about myself they would like to take to benefit their own experience then so much the better for us both/all.

 

Also, you might take an interest in this discussion Sunday reflection: John 14:1-12

You have to be registered to post but registration is currently closed. It opens only a few times a year.

 

You do understand that Devotion to the Virgin is one of the more powerfully attractive and unique aspects of Roman Catholicism as a Christian Religion, yes?

The Cult of Mary is really the closest thing that ANY Western Religion has to worship of the Female principle and it is not for nothing that only the second use of the Pope's Ex Cathedra pronouncements was the result of a movement in the late 20th century which would have almost made Mary a Co-Deity with Christ himself.

 

Lost in the "English Translation" perhaps but tradition holds that James was the biological Brother of Jesus.

 

Exactly!!!!!!

...and apparently he had at least two sisters!


Mark 6:3
"Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

 

Well sure ... it is not like Joseph and Mary remained celibate after the birth of the Sun God... opps I meant Son of God. Why is it that Christ was depicted as "the Sun God" halo and all for such a long period of time ?

 

An excellent question….. a powerful case indeed can be presented that some of Yeshua/ Jesus's followers added to…. and took away from the Gospels…. until they had presented the case that Yeshua was some sort of Sun God……

Revelation 22:19
"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

Perhaps at the time that John wrote this…… adding to and taking away from the words of Yeshua/ Jesus had already taken place. Which could explain how the Virgin Birth theory is not referred to by the Apostle Paul in any of his letters.