If Biden wins he's coming after our guns. He Tweeted that today

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  1. Have at it

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    Stop that dirty talk..

    Love you!
     
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    Everyone already knew that brute force and intimidation are Trump's hallmark.
    Thank you for the confirmation.
     
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    Not sure why this is surprising given that Biden has already declared Beta “We are coming for your guns” Orourke as being in charge of his gun control policy. Though the timing of it was moronic
     
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    Biden Tweets vaguely ('assault weapon' is famously meaningless), Trump straight up said said he'd take your guns without due process on camera and doubled down when Pence tried to claim he misspoke.
     
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    Oh, it's not just you- it's big tech censorship posing as a "technical difficulty". People running independent checks have found censorship of right-oriented content rampant on twitter, google and other social media.
    Same people who are funneling millions to Biden campaign, trying to buy influence to battle the upcoming legal challenges the will face soon.

    The democrats have become the party of the ultra-rich; mostly those who got that way in the the explosion rather than building something big in normal times, or who got rich through financial manipulation like George Soros. Biden has backed breaking up tech monopolies- political influence is the clout that will protect them, Biden is highly experienced at marketing influence.

    The republicans have become the party of the average American; that makes them a threat to the elite that feed off political advantage.
     
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    Most Republicans support assault weapons ban, despite Trump saying 'no appetite'
    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/07/poll-most-voters-support-assault-weapons-ban-1452586

    "Most Republicans would support legislation banning assault-style weapons, a new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll found Wednesday — a finding that contradicts President Donald Trump's claim earlier the same day that there's "no political appetite" for such restrictions.

    The poll found that nearly 70 percent of all voters would back such a ban. Support for an assault-weapons ban was higher, at 86 percent, among Democrats, who have been pushing for new restrictions on the firearms in the wake of two mass shootings over the weekend."

    A ban on assault weapons is not a new idea.
     
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    Brute force? No threats, no intimidation except what Biden's people imagined; they were just intimidated by the volume of support for Trump- not threats. They did call the police out of fear, but there was no offense. On the other hand, we have protestor from the dem side screaming horrific things at Trump supporters, throwing bricks and cursing police and hating anyone who doesn't agree with them, every day. I realize you probably have failed to notice this, because it's likely you watch the kind of propaganda that never shows you what your side is really doing.

    This is the real brute force, but of course it's a "peaceful protest" in Minneapolis with tacit support from democratic officials. Later we had a wholesale attack on Chicago's miracle mile, will stores looted of millions of dollars. The BLM which enjoys dem support said it wasn't looting, it was reparations, and the losses didn't matter because those store had insurance. The dems didn't object.

    This is your sides definition of it. Funny, but the event in Texas did not set fire to Biden's bus, didn't wreck it, didn't vandalize or deface it- but sure as hell showed them a lot of Trump flags. Horrifying to Biden and his "peaceful protestors" as well. Is blindness an intermittent thing of convenience for dem supporters? Must be.

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    That's why gun sales have doubled, and a big percentage are first time buyers. They realize lies like the one above are dangerous, and government should never control your ability to defend yourself... because you damn sure can't depend on them to do it. Dems are buying guns. Anti-gun people are buying guns.... because the left is loosing control of themselves.
    Your poll is horse puckey, but you know that.
     
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    Excuse me cutting your post ...it can be quite long and I didn't want to take up a lot of room.

    I think the core group of Republicans are quite elitist but they earn their bread and their vote by pushing the buttons of the uneducated. They and their sponsors are simply in the background now and they're getting what they want so not complaining too much.

    I would love to line up richest 100 people in America and tabulate which party they support. That would be a more accurate statistic than assumption
     
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    1. That article is over a year old and was published soon after a shooting so the poll is skewed by the weak-willed knee jerk types.

    2. A right is a right and not subject to popular opinion. This is non-negotiable whether you like it or not.
     
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    That picture has changed dramatically over the last few decades. The majority of the ultra rich reads the same as the list of CEO's of the tech industry. The huge contributions that have rolled into Biden come primarily from such people. Far more Biden contributions come from high income areas ($100,000+), compared to most Trump contributions which come from areas of $100,000 and down.
    Dems are no longer the party of the working man, the tables have inverted with the dems courting the people who are manipulating the news and data. Selling... influence.

    There are very rich people everywhere- however, some are open and above board in their political interests, some are- weasels that don't give a damn about anything but their own short-term objectives.
    Biden has said he supports breaking up big tech. Big tech is giving Biden the biggest money. He's taking it. Do you suppose they are funding him because they want to be broken up?? Or, because they want the influence to prevent it?
    You don't have to be genius to put that puzzle together.
     
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    First they came for the "assault weapons", and I did not speak out—

    Because I did not own an "assault weapon".

    Then they came for the handguns, and I did not speak out—

    Because I did not own a handgun.

    Then they came for the rifles and I did not speak out—

    Because I did not own a rifle

    Then they came for the shotguns —and then I learned what "common sense" gun control "for the children" really meant.



    (Apologies to Martin Niemöller)
     
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    I'm sorry to inform you the 2nd Amendment gives exactly nobody the right to own an assault weapon. If it did they would have been banned in 1994.
     
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    The Supreme Court disagrees and I can point to three different rulings. One in ~1933 which ruled that sawed off shotguns weren't covered because they have "no military value", and then the two in 2008 and 2009 which ruled that gun ownership is an individual right and guns 'in common use' are covered.

    Let's examine common use, the Ford F-150 has the best selling vehicle in America for several years now so that would be considered 'in common use' would it not? More AR-15s have been sold in the US than F-150s which would make them fall within the category of 'in common use' and thus protected.
     
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    You can't honestly deny it was intimidation. BTW, I'm against violence wherever it comes from, but I must say Trump's inflammatory language doesn't help relax the current climate, to say the least.
    Also, please refrain from talking about my side as there is no such thing at this time. I was in favor of Nixon (until Watergate), Reagan and Bush (both) but I was disgusted by Trump from day one, for starters by the way he treated his GOP competitors. Trump is no democrat, no conservative,he's just trumpist full stop!
     
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    Smart ones butter BOTH sides of the bread.
     
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    The amazing thing about twitter are the number of self obsessed folks who's only contribution is incessant whining....
     
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    You lose.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/even-...un-control-proposals-after-el-paso-and-dayton

    "But Scalia also wrote something else in the Heller decision that the NRA didn’t applaud: “Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”
    https://www.clarionledger.com/story...un-rights-and-public-safety-rights/354841002/

    IOW, even a radical wingnut like Scalia recognized the limitations of rights afforded to gun owners.
     
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    Any object can be a weapon. CA already has such a ban. If the webbing between your thump and forefinger is below the level of the top of the trigger, it is an assault weapon.
     
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    I don't know what side you profess to hold with. I can see who gets the favor of your opinion, however.
    Whatever intimidation took place was in the minds of the people on Bidens' bus. There was no act on the part of the Trump supporters to validate it.
    Imagine the reaction of the press if the situation were reversed- they would have wanted a Trump bus to be run off the road, and would be expressing regrets it wasn't.
    Probably get Maxine Waters to explain that, she's already told people to run Trump supporters out of town.

    Trump IS doing what I helped elect him to do- keep his promises. Get things done. Clear the swamp people. It's work in progress, work hat you and every voter has been saying we need for decades.
     
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    I think I'd call myself an open-minded moderate republican. I wish the GOP would have chosen a decent man e.g. John Kasich in 2016. I assume you view him as a traitor as he his too moderate to your taste; however, I believe he's still a true republican who has inevitably chosen to vote for Biden in the absence of a decent GOP candidate.
    He'll be 72 in 2024; he could very well come back then, when the Trump madness will hopefully have dissipated and the GOP will need an acceptable candidate ( I mean by both moderate republicans AND moderate democrats!).
     
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    No- Actually, Kasich was my first choice. There is always a question of how mundane a president must be to get elected, and despite people's endless demands for a candidate who will actually call things like they are and make things happen, mundane is safer for the moment. We have procrastinated against actual reform for decades, at the same time we were demanding it. Kind of like wanting the omelet but not wanting to break the eggs. Ross Perot, another astute businessman ran in 1992. I donated and actively campaigned for him, and he lost. People fear facing real problems, just like they avoid going to the dentist out of fear of the pain of the cure for their toothache.

    I'm actually glad Kasich didn't make the cut. While I admire the man- we desperately needed to quit having Washington run like an endless scam on the public, get down to the dirty work of recognizing how bad the conditions were and tackling them head on. Kasich would not have faced that. It was long overdue, and it is if far from over. If Biden wins today, it won't go back to where it was before... it will decline severely, and the nation will be in trouble on a scale none of us has ever seen before. It's not the candidate that matters- it's the ideology, the moral values and the courage behind it that controls the future. Politics is a very dirty business, that works hard to keep up a facade of BS just for the voters- and they sell it most of the time, because we lack the courage to demand real change.

    If we are to have a responsive government that actually works for the people, we simply have to stop settling for less. We will never get it unless we demand it, and that will disturb all the gators in the swamp, all the people using the entrenched system of gain, all the people who want you to be the compliant and dependent citizen they can control.

    If war is madness, capitulation because you lack courage is a step worse than madness. This is indeed a war for your freedom, and for the future of the nation. I believe in the nation, I will do what is necessary to protect and improve it. Bidens latest slogan is "The battle for America's soul". Good description- and he wants to buy yours with the money from the big tech people who want to own it. I'm not selling.
     
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    Here in Texas, there are probably twice as many guns as people. We don't keep them out on the front lawn where the ATF can find and seize them.

    Relax.
     
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    Most mass shootings are committed with handguns.
    Most people who die in mass shootings are killed with handguns.
     
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