If Cruz is the nominee Hillary is just about guaranteed to become POTUS

Kasich won Ohio in his 2014 governorship race against a Democrat with 63.8% of the vote.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep.../ohio_governor_kasich_vs_fitzgerald-3758.html

Kasich leads Clinton in Ohio 54.3% to 36.7%

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/oh/ohio_kasich_vs_clinton-4079.html

On the other hand Clinton leads Trump 46.3% to 42.3% in Ohio.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/oh/ohio_kasich_vs_clinton-4079.html

And by the way, Kasich if one is going by the issues is far more conservative than Trump. Trump positions on quite a lot of issues would have caused him to be labeled a RINO if his name wasn't Trump. At least that is what most Trump supporters called those Republicans who took a lot of the positions Trump has before Trump.

 

Kasich is the only republican currently running who would have a chance against Hilllary in the general election. GOP base won't vote for him though. He's not nearly angry, disrespectful, or irrational enough for them sadly.

 

That is just so bogus, it hurts to even read it. These polls are absolutely worthless in predicting who is most likely to win in the general. No poll of such nature is even worth reading until after both conventions are over with, and even then, those polls won't matter much till the last couple weeks in October.

Kasich does not have a snow balls chance in a hot place of winning in the general election vs. Hillary. These goofy polls reflect only what Democrats prefer most as the Republican candidate, but when these same Kasich loving Democrats and Independents enter the voting booth in November, 90% or more of them will be voting for Hillary; and Kasich will left with nothing more to do but to give a very quick concession speech.

 

You better hope that 90% of independents do not for Hillary. Romney won 51% of the independent vote in 2012 and still lost by 4 points. The fact is with a smaller base vote than the Democrats, Trump or whomever is the nominee must win 55% of the independent vote just to have a chance.

 

He only got 40 something percent in the primary

Yes he is far more conservative than Trump who is a populist not a conservative . The reason people want Trump is to give the establishment the middle finger. I think the reps are truly screwed to the point they cant beat the worst candidate the Dems have ever put up. I like Cruzs positions but as has been said he comes off like a preacher and he is not even qualified to run no matter what anyone says

 

Personally I think Clinton who should be easily beatable with the right candidate/s will win against either Trump or Cruz. It seems this year a lot of Republicans are more interested in making a statement rather than winning an election in November. There you hit the nail on the head.

The GOP is so fractured it has no idea how to mend. You have approximately 30% of Republicans who are very anti-Trump, 35% who are very pro-Trump and no one else and another 30% who would support whomever wins the nomination. The problem is those very anti-Trump Republicans will not support him in November and those very pro-Trump will not support who is chosen at the convention since they think Trump was robbed and the nomination stolen from him.

What a beautiful time to be a Democrat. To be able to run someone who the majority of Americans dislike, distrust, have little use for outside of the Democratic party and still win because of a divided opposition party who refuse to nominate someone who can beat her. Statement time.

 

The GOP will pull together for the general election.
Hillary is a terrible candidate, she a crook, a liar, boring, and nobody likes her.
Even if she is elected, she will spend the entirety of her miserable term fighting impeachment. She commits crimes without hesitation, she is a terrible and unbelievable liar, she will be repeatedly impeached as she tries to exceed her authority and she will spend all of her time barely surviving Senate impeachment votes.

 

By Cruz, we do mean Eduardo Raphael Cruz right?

 

True.

The Dem nominee winning in November is a mortal lock. Case closed.

 

1. Highly speculative. There are also reports that a quarter to third of Sanders supporters will never support Clinton. You may choose to believe that - I call it bs.
2. And Trump does?
3. I've heard people say this before, that he sounds too religious, talks like a televangelist, etc. I've only heard it from people I know would never vote Republican anyway. I've also heard people say Obama sounds like Hitler. Only people who would never vote Democrat anyway. So I really think this kind of stuff doesn't matter.
4. This is already settled law, but low information voters are low information voters. If Obama was born in Kenya it wouldn't have mattered - he was born to an American parent. Same goes for Cruz.
5. The party had been smart not to rally behind Trump because Trump would be carry the worst unfavorable numbers of any GOP nominee ever, and Trump is trailing Hillary by double digits. Cruz isn't.

 

Well said.

 

The right wing bubble starts to firm up.
Romney in a landslide!

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Of the Alberta Cruz's, yes.

 

Although I don't see the circumstance yet that would pull the GOP together this fall, I see you have accepted the inevitable, that Hillary will sit on the Iron Throne. But I don't think Hillary is worried about any potential impeachment. I think one of Hillary's campaign promises is that the senate will be dissolved as the last remnants of the old republic will be swept away.

 

They said the same about Obama and tries to no effect. It will be no different now there simply is no case.

And the GOP will support trump? It will destroy itself doing so.

 

Yes, but then cruz has little advantage over trump as well.

I think a lot of independents will think the same and you can't win without those.

Just like with obama enough crazy people to stir up trouble, like with obama don't think it will matter.

Only by single digits, cruz doesnt stand a chance either against clinton.

 

Obama was charismatic and he was making history. Hillary is a fat rich lying frog. No excitement and nobody likes here. So that's different.

It doesn't look to me like Trump will be the nominee.

 

I have no idea if it's 90% or 80% or less. But I was referring to Democrats and Independents who suggest to some polling agency that they prefer Kasich over Hillary, it's a small segment of Democrats and Independents. But it's just a poll, and when those same Democrats and Independents go into the voting booth in November, the vast majority of them will be voting for Hillary, and not Kasich.

I just don't give any credence to hypothetical polls. I believe that the candidate most likely to win in the general is the candidate who energizes his base the most, and currently that man is Trump, though he does seem to be imploding a bit at this time. Hillary is also vulnerable, due to the lack of enthusiasm for her candidacy, but Democrats seem to vote in lockstep, whereas Republicans don't. That's why it's very important for Republicans to rally around one candidate, and currently they are doing just the opposite.

 

Okay, but here is where the Republican Party stands as of today on Trump. Very divided and fractured to say the least. You have around 30% of the Republican base vowing never to vote for Trump if he is their nominee. Call this faction the anti Trump faction.That doesn't mean they would vote for Clinton, although some would. Most either won't vote or vote for someone else. Then you have the Trump supporters roughly 35-40% which a huge segment also vow never to vote for the GOP nominee if it is someone else other than Trump. Then you have several mega Republican donors who have let the RNC know there will be no money coming from them if Trump is their nominee. Hence the push to come up with something to stop Trump which in my opinion is not working.

Then you have the 30% of loyal lifelong Republicans who would support whomever comes forth and wins the nomination. But this last week has seen some split within the Democratic Party also. What looked like a united party a week or so ago, now seems to be joining the Republicans in becoming divided. Here is something of interest inside a Quinnipiac Poll. 9. Are there any of these candidates you would definitely not vote for in the
presidential election: Clinton, Cruz, Kasich, Sanders, or Trump? (Totals may add up to
more than 100% because multiple responses were allowed)

…………Tot…Rep..Dem..Ind
Clinton 43% 80% 06% 46%
Cruz……33% 11% 54% 32%
Kasich…14% 08% 21% 09%
Sanders.27% 58% 02% 19%
Trump….54% 17% 87% 54%

https://www.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us03232016_Umk53pw.pdf

If you compare Kasich's numbers with Clinton's, you can see why he is beating her in a head to head match up. You can also see why Clinton has a double digit lead over Trump. You see the same thing in the favorable/unfavorable ratings of the candidates on a national level and broken down via party. The thing is history has proven that folks do not vote for someone they dislike. But time will tell.

As much baggage as Clinton has, every Republican should be beating her easily. But she is beating one certain candidate fairly easily at this point and that candidate is the front runner.

 

If Trump is the nominee, a liberal democrat is guaranteed to be the POTUS, whether it's the one who claims to be a Republican (Trump) or Hillary. At least with Cruz we have a chance of electing a conservative.

 

Those of us who are "NeverTrumpers" think Trump is no less a liberal democrat than Hillary. Either one will be disastrous for the country.

 

#NeverTrump equals a Hillary inauguration in January of 2017.

Actually it might be a good idea for the never Trumpers on the board to self identify so I'll know who to blame for having Democratic President's for the rest of my life.

 

I disagree. Trump=Hillary inauguration.

Even if Trump wins, we get a liberal democrat in office. No thank you, I'm voting 3rd party if Trump is the Republican nominee, and I'm changing my party affiliation. I've been a loyal Republican voter since 1984. The only time I've voted for a dem in an election with a real choice has been for Zell Miller for governor of GA. I held my nose and voted for Dole, Romney and McCain. They at least are good men. I can't vote for Trump, he's not even a good man nor a Republican nor a conservative.

 

You're just way off the mark on your assessment of Trump. For sure, he wouldn't be able to accomplish even a fraction of what he says he would accomplish, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a conservative core to him. I think he does, as much so as Cruz and far more than Kasich.

He is the only hope the Republicans have of winning the WH in 2016. My wish is that other Republicans would come to that same realization and suck it up a bit, just as we had to with Dole and McCain. I actually liked Romney as a candidate, I think he would have been a good President. McCain was the one I just couldn't stomach; I voted for the Constitution Party candidate instead.

 

I voted for McCain and Romney, and Romney, position wise, is almost identical to Trump. I'm always curious about people's mindsets in which Romney is conservative enough, but Trump, who is running on a near identical platform and has a near identical history of changing political positions, isn't.

Maybe the Republicans will be the third party in 2020 and you can vote 3rd Party and still get a chance to vote Republican Jeb!/Lindsay anyone?

 

If thats the case then what makes trumpy 'anti-establishment'? So why all the 'support' and claims he is 'different'?

At this point the GOP stands very little chance of winning the White House, trumpy, cruz, Rocky and Bullwinkle, makes no matter.