If Mohammad was alive today, and had sex with a kid, would Muslims demand jail time?

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  1. FreedomSeeker

    FreedomSeeker Well-Known Member

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    We agree on something.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so don't follow it

    no one is putting a gun to your head to follow the Bible.
     
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    FreedomSeeker Well-Known Member

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    "Nazism? Don't follow it if you're against it - no one is putting a gun to your head to follow Nazism" - Ronstar, 1937. :)
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    comparing Muslims to Nazis, shows how much you hate Muslims
     
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    FreedomSeeker Well-Known Member

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    The truth hurts. I don't shy away from the truth. Mohammad said that the Muslims will eventually have to kill the Jews.....sounds alot like Adolf's sentiment.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    your pathological bigotry is not truth.
     
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    I'm not the bigot, you are...that's a pretty strong statement, so let me try to prove that: Ronstar, will you condemn Muslims for not condemning Mohammad for saying that the Muslims will eventually have to kill the Jews? I one can't condemn bigotry when asked point-blank to do so, then one is likely a bigot themselves:
    The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (the Boxthorn tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews. (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim, 41:6985, see also Sahih Muslim, 41:6981, Sahih Muslim, 41:6982, Sahih Muslim, 41:6983, Sahih Muslim, 41:6984, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:791,(Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:177
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and yet I've not said anything bigoted.

    but you have.

    MANY times
     
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    I just proved my point - I can condemn bigotry, but you can't. That makes you the bigot.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    i condemn bigotry all the time, including your pathological bigotry against Muslims
     
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    Nonsense - you can't condemn the outright bigotry of Mohammad, and Muslims who clearly approve of him.
     
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    The Sunna is the ideal way for all Muslims. I have yet to hear any Muslim condemn anything done by Muhammed.
    It would be heresy.
     
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    Great post.
    Yes, as an example, most religious people lack the moral courage to answer this simple moral question in a reasonably ethical way: "What would your prophet/god have had to (hypothetically) do for you to leave him?"
    Go ahead, ask them like I've done, and their answers will sicken you.
    As a Modern Secular Humanist I'd answer: "any felony, for starters". But since, say, Moses, was a rapist and mass-murderer they can't answer like a Modern Secular Humanist can, of course. The different ethical levels are patently obvious when they are asked this revealing question. Clearly.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    sure i can.

    just as i condemn the bigotry against Muslims that you post
     
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    If TRUMP beheads 600+ CAPTIVES (say in Afghanistan, or Gitmo) - captives - people would freak out! But Mohammad did the same thing (to Jews at Banu Qurayza) and people give him a complete pass. And they also give those that "worship" him a complete pass as well. Incredible. What has our world come to!?
     
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    It's not "bigotry" to point out that they give their children a book, that they say is from "god", no less, that says to BEAT women (Q4:34), and that women are so stupid that their testimony in court is worth MERELY HALF that of the (apparently) superior Muslim male....it's a service to humanity.
     
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    You condemn Muslims for giving their children Q4:34, then?
     
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    i condemn all violence against innocent people.
     
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    That's not what I asked, I asked if you condemn Muslims who give their children a book, and say said book is from god no less, that instructs, teaches, that BEATING women is the way to go. Do you condemn Muslims for giving their children a book that instructs BEATING women? You don't seem to be too concerned about women not getting beaten, it seems, as you carefully dance around condemning them for Q4:34.
     
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    Then of course you condemn Mohammad for beheading CAPTIVES at Banu Qurayza, and the Muslims that defend his (barbaric) behavior, Ronstar?
     
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    I don't condemn Jews and Christains for reading the Bible, even though it says to murder Gay people.

    But I do expect them to tell their children that such ideas are archaic and are part of a very backwards way of thinking that is 3,000 years old, and today we don't follow such beliefs.
     
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    In other words tell their children that "god got it wrong", correct?
     
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    tell their children that such rules don't apply today.
     
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    So tell their children that Allah got it wrong where he says that the Qur'an is for all time, right?
     
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    As much as I hate pedophiles, your mischaracterization of societal norms of the 7th century (including western christian norms of the time) is simply another bumpersticker pulled out by the haters and the paranoid.
     

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