If the Government Has UFO Crash Materials, It’s Time to Reveal Them

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  1. Betamax101

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    No he didn't. He didn't "assume" anything. He used his intelligence, looked at the incredible data on all the missions and looked at a whole myriad of footage. He understands how science works with the lunar samples.

    Every single piece of your wall of spam has been destroyed:

    HERE on a highly detailed blog.
    HERE on this forum!

    You have ignored virtually all of it and continue to post your spam on numerous threads. What pathetic responses you have made are demonstrative of a very poor understanding of science.
    Ironically you've arrived at the right conclusion for the wrong reason.
     
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    If, out of 2 million visits, only 2 crashed, would that be pretty good stat by comparison to human technology?

    Thing is,. aliens have cloaking technology,and the vast majority of the time they are not detectable. They are here and their mission is clandestine in nature.

    We have been visited millions of times and out of all those, only a handful have crashed. Since there are no absolutes in the universe, the question then becomes, are the stats commensurate with the technology? I'd say 1 out of 1 million is pretty decent, for an alien. Clearly, out of one million airplane rides, what percentage crash?

    If you ask how I know this, you'll have to read Dr. David Jacob's 'Walking Among us' to learn about it.

    If you ask for proof, that depends on what kind of proof you'll accept. I think jacob's 'proof', though not the 'alien knocks on door and asks if you can invite him in' kind of evidence, but it's evidence that, if you consider the facts he presents, is compelling.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    I haven’t seen a single bit of credible evidence. Eye witness accounts are the lowest form of testimony and are not accepted as scientific evidence.
    2 million visits? There’s a figure drawn from someone’s backside.
    Ghosts, Yeti, fairies, the grays, NDE revealsand more fabrications of imagination all exist in the minds of believers….the evidence just out of reach or held in secret by those protecting us. Sure now, give me the right hallucinogens and I will see the light..
     
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    You KNOW they are here and you can't find them - so they have cloaking technology.

    Interesting line of logic.

    Finding 1 would be Earth shattering! The catch is, 1 out of any number you pick has not been achieved.

    Where are the remnants of the handful of crashes stored? What does it take to get to visit them?

    How much progress is congress made in getting access to the alien body the military claims to have?

    What are the criteria that you use for counting alien craft? I'm a little surprised at the "millions" claim.
     
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    No, the logic works fine, it's just that you are not aware of other details, such as the fact than when aliens abduct, their cloaking shields are in selective mode/force, though they aren't cloaked to the abductees, they are cloaked to everyone else, as the aliens have selective cloaking technology. I think it has more to do with 1. mass mind control of nearby persons, 2. stealth technology to radar. I surmise this from the testimony of abductees. In fact, it's just about unanimous out of literally hundreds of subjects' testimony.

    If you had been involved with the subject for as long and as in-depth, as I have, you just might come to a different conclusion.
    Apparently, based on the testimony of Grusch, military has them. Where, that is not known, but some have indicated Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.

    I realize it's not incontrovertible as proof, but we have reports such as:

    https://www.history.com/news/hangar-18-ufos-aliens-wright-patterson
    One, Oliver Henderson, reportedly told his wife that he flew a plane loaded with debris, along with several small alien bodies, from Roswell to Wright Field. According to the children of another pilot, WWII ace Marion “Black Mac” Magruder, their father claimed to have seen a living alien at Wright Field in 1947 and told them “it was a shameful thing that the military destroyed this creature by conducting tests on it.”
    Apparently not much, if any. Personally, I doubt congress will be able to gain access. Higher ups will step in, inevitably and claim 'due to national security reasons and that you don't have a need to know, you are denied access....blah blah", which as been, as I understand it, the line used before. Thing is, if this is nonsense, that's a pretty stern and dramatic statement to issue for weather balloons, crash test dummies, etc.


    Mainly from the Roper poll:

    The Roper Poll

    In 1991, Hopkins, Jacobs and sociologist Dr. Ron Westrum commissioned a Roper Poll in order to determine how many Americans might have experienced the abduction phenomenon. Of nearly 6,000 Americans, 119 answered in a way that Hopkins et al. interpreted as supporting their ET interpretation of the abduction phenomenon. Based on this figure, Hopkins estimated that nearly four million Americans might have been abducted by extraterrestrials.

    Now, Jacob's tells us that the Roper Poll's numbers were higher than this, much higher, and they (Jacobs, et al.) decided to make the numbers more conservative, and toned the results down. Jacob's explains this in his book ,'Walking Among Us', which you should read, despite your attitude towards it.

    4 million Americans equals 4 million alien spacecraft visits, which is 1.2% of USA's population. 1.2% of 8 billion (today's population, approx), is 96 million alien spacecraft visits, and of those, we, allegedly, have at least a dozen. But even if it were, say, 100, that's pretty good crash stats compared to US Aircraft.

    I should think. But even if the 96 million figure is way off, it IS fair to say the number of alien spacecraft visits is in the millions. yes, some other psyche is going around claiming it is 'sleep paralysis' but that fails to account for the many abductions which occured while driving a car.
     
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    You haven't looked.

    It's really that simple. The available information is vast and has been going on for many decades.

    Dig deeper, that's all I can say, before you render a conclusion.

    But, I can render an opinion regarding you. You aren't curious.

    If you were, you'd know a lot more about the subject.
     
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    Show me tangible evidence other than eye witness testimony which is the absolute lowest form of evidence and without physical evidence has zero credibility. The U in UFO, stands for unidentified.
    If you want to invest in your own gullibility, it’s a free country, but do’t expect me to follow suit and entertain such fantasy. It you want to believe beings from a place far far away built technology to navigate the void of intergalactic space to come here, and then **** up and crash that narrative I strains credibility beyond all logical reason. I place it on par with the belief in malevolent witches. Human gullibility is only exceeded by human imagination.
     
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    So, now the argument includes selective cloaking, mass mind control, stealth radar evasion, unsubstantiated testimony, ability to avoid all known physics, AND aliens that for some reason don't just land and talk to us.

    Like with SciFi, what I see is a practice of making up fantastical abilities and assumptions that confound all we know in order to allow the plot to work.

    Polling is great for figuring out what people think.
     
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    Please reread my comment. The subject is vast, far more dynamic, multifaceted, than you are clearly aware of.
     
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    I gave you the source of my reasoning. It wasn't ScFi. But, anything to do with aliens is going to be sci-fi-esque.

    You, it won't be the first time you have tried to trivialize the subject. Not very scientific of you to do that, especially when more and more scientists are taking the subject seriously now.
     
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    Yep… hook,line and sinker. I don’t wonder as much about intelligent life out there as intelligent life here.
     
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    Whatever
     
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    It also wasn't evidence. Asking people whether they believe they saw aliens does not result in evidence.

    I'm fine with looking for aliens.

    But, this topic deserves a scientific approach, not a sci fi approach. You don't win by declaring that aliens can do any arbitrary thing that they would need to do to fool us. THAT is what sci fi authors do. Making up a list of excuses is NOT a valid approach.


    Get congress to make the DoD cough up the body they claim to have. THAT would be evidence.
     
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    You should listen to physicist/professor Kevin Knuth.



    I've said it many times, there is no evidence of the kind that is direct proof.

    However, there is a mountain of less-than-perfect evidence.

    The forces that do black budget SAP (special access programs) in which crashed UFOs are being held, reverse - engineered, are not going to let us in on their classified programs, not even congress. There is an epic struggle, known as 'disclosure' going on right not the effort of which is to get access to these SAPs. This was one of the things the recent congressional hearing was about.
     
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    Yes there are many who claim that there are unconfirmed sightings or events where there isn't enough information to explain. And, he does love to talk about violating physics without actual explanation. For example, we know the dimensions of this universe, and crossing that distance in reasonable numbers of weeks or months is something that physics denies us.

    Also, his ideas on life forms under water on water worlds being advantaged by characteristics of water doesn't resonate. Our space travel isn't hampered by being developed in an atmosphere rather than under sea. He mentions Enceladus, but living under miles of ice on that planet means not even knowing that space exists. Plus, any curious water being would need to figure out how to traverse miles of ice with energy available in that water world.

    Yes, congress would love disclosure of SAP activity, but that isn't the issue here. The issue is obtaining an alien body.

    That is an object that Earth has a right to see. It's not reasonable to consider that as covered by a US SAP, even if the method of acquisition is not divulged.
     
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    For the skeptics among us….
     
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    You got it! (If you want just one 2-minute cut, see 1:32:00. but the full video has numerous irrefutable instances.)

     
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    Yes, a lot of stuff that is unidentified.

    How about going after the military to take a look at the body they claim to have?

    That would be evidence.
     
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    Why are you so afraid of this that you can’t bring yourself to objectively, calmly, examine the facts? Serious question: what is the basis of your fear? ….. which is what it clearly is.
     
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    The problem here has nothing whatsoever to do with fear.

    The USA and others are spending large sums searching for evidence of life of ANY kind, anywhere in our universe.

    That's not fear doing that. Finding life not of our own origin would be HUGELY exciting.

    It has much more to do with decades of constant disappointment.

    You need to demand that body the military claims to have. THAT would be evidence.
     
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    1. I wasn’t addressing you.

    2. You’re very poorly informed on this.

    3. Suggestion: watch the video I just posted and make note of each item that is persuasive, evidentiary, and factual. Then list them by timestamp so others can comment.
     
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    fear? what fear?I have yet to see credible evidence of intelligent extraterrestrial agency. I would be incredible were theextroidinary claims true. but as Cal Sagan once noted such claims would require exttroidinary evidence
     
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    again, see Shermer’s video above. I marvel at the gullibility I observe.
    there is not one shred of evidence that can objectively lead to the conclusion of intelligent exterterterestial life.
    Is Bigfoot actually an exterterrestial being? or, the Yeti, or ghosts beings from another dimension? What if undersea or Antarctica alien bases? is Trump from another civilization?
     
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    stonehenge or pyramids built by aliens?
     
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    non human remains…. DNA or other evidence?
     

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