If the Government Has UFO Crash Materials, It’s Time to Reveal Them

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Like many others, I have seen credible evidence of objects moving through the air which act in ways no known aircraft can. If you haven’t it can only be attributed to a failure to investigate.

You would? Cool. But WHAT “extroidinary” claims are you referring to? Can you cite one or two?

 

“Betz mystery sphere”??

I never heard of it. Do you know why? I’ll tell you why……. I don’t pay any attention to bullshit ideas like that, like “the Titanic didn’t sink” and/or “Hitler didn’t kill Jews in gas chambers”.

Now, can you list any “extraordinary claims” I’ve ever made here regarding UFOs?

 

Any claim that there are aliens anywhere near Earth is an extraordinary claim.

 

May be extraordinary but also probable based on evidence.

 

The gubernment has a website now where Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) can be reported and will be a data base for same. It has a few videos and I hadn't seen the middle east one....could it be a balloon in the wind? If it is otherworldly it is probably a very sophisticated drone. X radar is used for guidance, no known propulsion and it could be one of many. Where would they hide? Why in the ocean.

 

If the government has UFO crash material, for national security reasons it makes sense they wouldn’t want to reveal it. That they would try to reverse engineer the material to take advantage of more advanced technology. One wouldn’t want the public and the enemies of the U.S. to know what we have and the possible gains in our own technology and weaponry that could be developed. Which includes advancements in the space race. Maybe being the first to reach Mars to set up a colony there.


It's a big if, if we do have crashed material. Keeping it secret really frustrates those who believe in UFO’s as the government may have that evidence that they do exist. That there is other intelligence life out there besides our own. But recently the government has released more information that was once classified to include the tic toc video shot by Navy Pilots. Perhaps we’re getting closer to full disclosure, but I doubt it.

 

The military should release remains of aliens, even if it is a selective release. That's a world issue and I don't see how it can be legitimately exclusive to our military.

For ALL the rest, I get it. Much of this kind of info could be a demonstration of what we know about new tech from the US and others and what our detection capabilities are.

 

My own view is that there are two fundamental theories here.

One is that exceptionally advanced aliens exist. And, they came large numbers of light years and are flying around, breaking our most profoundly and constantly tested fundamental physics, doing a sloppy job of hiding, and showing no interest in actual contact.

The other is that there are mistakes of various kinds being made, such as those well known about human testimony throughout science and our legal system, as are sure to result from the various kinds of rewards reaped by those with fantastical claims, and as have been demonstrated by our less than perfect detection technology.

Surely this second theory is monumentally more likely, as we make this kind of mistake repeatedly, and nothing exceptional is required. And, the other theory involves assumptions that are totally magical, hugely illogical and poorly evidenced.

Obviously, many don't share that view, or have real hopes of alien contact - which would certainly be of huge interest. And, I could change my view with serious evidence.

 

Even the release of remains if we did have crash material to include bodies would let the world know we do have access to alien technology. How would Russia and China react to that? I don’t know. I do believe there are UFO’s. Being that UFO is unidentified flying object. Being unidentified doesn’t mean ET is flying them. It just makes them unexplainable.

 

Do you know about these?……

1.
"On November 14, 2004, the USS Princeton, part of the USS Nimitz carrier strike group, noted an unknown craft on radar 100 miles off the coast of San Diego. For two weeks, the crew had been tracking objects that appeared at 80,000 feet and then plummeted to hover right above the Pacific Ocean.

When two FA-18F fighter jets from the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz arrived in the area, they first saw what appeared to be churning water, with a shadow of an oval shape underneath the surface. Then, in a few moments, a white Tic Tac-shaped object appeared above the water. It had no visible markings to indicate an engine, wings or windows, and infrared monitors didn't reveal any exhaust. Black Aces Commander David Fravor and Lt. Commander Jim Slaight of Strike Fighter Squadron 41 attempted to intercept the craft, but it accelerated away, reappearing on radar 60 miles away. It moved three times the speed of sound and more than twice the speed of the fighter jets.”

Four more HERE.

 

I read a book on the Roswell Incident in the early-to-mid-1990s. I cannot recall the name of the book or its first date of publication, which could have been in the 1970s or 1980s. The book had B&W photos from 1948 and you can see military and civilian personnel and the photo credits were attributed to whatever military organization.

What struck me was two of the photos depicted an impact furrow in the ground.

I knew instantly it couldn't possibly be a weather balloon.

I'm familiar with meteorological balloons because field artillery uses them and we used their data for wind layers and pressure to calculate fallout predictions. The equipment gondola weights maybe 10 pounds. It has no organic propulsion system. When the balloon fails, the Laws of Physics take over and it would achieve a terminal velocity of not more than 134 mph.

It would fall vertically and the collision with the ground would be elastic, meaning the equipment gondola crushes itself into pieces. Having said that, under certain soil conditions, the impact could be partially inelastic, meaning the equipment gondola might be partially destroyed and bounce a bit, but under no conditions would the impact area be more than 6-8 feet in diameter and there would be no furrow.

Whatever made that furrow was moving laterally in a parallel low-trajectory and at a speed greater than any weather balloon could achieve.

Even if wind speeds were a sustained (not gusting) 50 mph, it still wouldn't happen. The equipment gondola would still fall in a near-vertical trajectory perpendicular to Earth, not parallel.

I have no idea what did crash there, but I do know what didn't crash there and it could not have been a weather balloon.

One of the photos had a guy crouching at the head of the furrow and another standing to the side and slightly behind but also leaning over and both appeared to be looking in the direction of the terminal point of the furrow.

Since the average American male is about 5'10" you can use that to determine the length of the furrow which was well in excess of 100' (can't tell the exact distance without knowing the focal length of the camera lens and a few other things) so that is additional proof it could not have been a weather balloon as claimed.

I have never been able to find those photos anywhere on the internet and I'm not really hip to buying every book ever written about Roswell to see if they're in them, but I have to wonder if the military didn't pull them and classify them lest scientifically or mathematically savvy people start pointing out it couldn't be a weather balloon.

 

That might be true on your planet, but on Earth such sightings had been reported by civilian and military pilots and passengers and aircrews. There are hundreds of other sightings from the ground, some notable enough to be reported in newspapers from the 1880s through the 1920s.

There are also historical records from antiquity including drawings and other artwork depicting spacecraft moving under their own propulsion.

 

It's out there if you want to see it. You do realize your argument is quit circular in nature. That the government is withholding evidence is not in dispute since many FOIA requests return entire pages of blacked-out documents.

Ironically, the Soviets were more open than the US about ETV sightings and even aired film footage from Soviet interceptor chasing a large cylindrical object.

Ever watch Star Trek: The Voyage Home?

Where do you think they got the idea of a large cylindrical spaceship?

 

The truly ironic thing in all this is that UFO freaks think that aliens would travel thousands of light years, in what would have to be a vastly
superior piece of tech - and then just happen to crash.

There is no crash wreckage. Go live your lives and work on something important - like your mental health.

 

That might be possible before the end of this Century.

The Sumerians revered a group of people they referred to as "lofty ones." Note that archaic Sumerians never referred to them as gods. That they were "gods" is a claim made by x-tian archaeologists and others and not by the Sumerians.

We need to look at a particular passage in Genesis 6. In Classical Biblical Hebrew (not even the same as modern-Hebrew) there were no verb tenses, thus all of the following are correct translations but not necessarily correct interpretations:

1) Man's days were 120 shars.
2) Man's days are 120 shars.
3) Man's days will be 120 shars.

Since humans are about to be wiped out, #3 is nonsensical. #2 might be possible but fails in light of #1.

Shar is not a Hebrew word. It is a Sumerian-Akkadian loanword, because the Hebrews did not write the story. They merely copied the story from other cultures which copied the story disseminated from Sumer-Akkad. A shar is a great year of 3,600 years and played an important role in the Sumerian Base 60 numbering system (which we still use today in many different forms.) We could substitute:

Man's days were 120 great years.

That isn't very satisfying and still hides the true meaning being conveyed.

120 x 3,600 = 432,000 years, thus:

Man's days were 432,000 years.

Now it makes sense since the Sumerians also claim that the lofty ones made humans 432,000 years ago and the message being conveyed is humans had been around 432,000 years before the Deluge ("flood" is an erroneous and false translation of the Sumerian word meaning deluge).

The Sumerians claim that three lofty ones, namely Enki, his son Ningishiddza, and Enki's half-sister Ninhursag created humans by binding the image of the lofty ones upon a humanoid that "roamed the plains" and "drank water from a ditch" (actual translation of the Sumerian text).

You'll note the Hebrews paraphrase that as the gods saying, "Let us make man in our image and our likeness."

When we find the original or earlier version of the E Text, it may very well have the names of Enki, Ningishiddza, and Ninhursag. A Hebrew scribe in 700 BCE would never have met a Sumerian and wouldn't have any idea who they were because they disappeared around 1900 BCE. Likewise, the scribe is not likely to be familiar with Enki, Ningishiddza, or Ninhursag and just substituted the generic elohim (gods plural) and left it at that.

So, Sumerians say Neanderthals came about 432,000 years ago. Archaeology says Neanderthals arose about 430,000 years ago.

Ooops...

Archaeologists have unwittingly corroborated at least some facets of the Sumerian stories.

Can we prove or disprove the Sumerian's claims? Theoretically, yes.

The Human Genome Project was recently completed ahead of schedule and surprisingly under budget, so kudos to them.

They are now in the process of sequencing Neanderthal DNA.

If the Sumerian story is true, then what was the hominid roaming the plains and drinking water from a ditch?

There are three possibilities: Homo Heidelbergensis, Homo Erectus, and Homo Erectus Africanus (the Erectus creature in Europe and western Asia is markedly different than the one in Africa). Their genomes would have to be sequenced.

Assuming we can find and extract DNA from those three and sequence them, we could prove or disprove the claim.

In the 10% of DNA that makes Neanderthal what it is, there should genes that shouldn't be there.

Likewise in the 90% of DNA in all hominids that is just placeholder DNA will tell the tale, too.

The two Nobel Prize-winning scientists who discovered DNA, Crick and Watson, emphatically stated life did not originate on Earth. Using different lines of scientific reasoning, both men concluded life came to Earth from Space.

Two years ago, they were proven right when a probe landed on a comet and discovered the "seeds of life."

Amino acids can and do form in space on asteroids and comets. That increases 10,000-fold the possibility of life on other planets since all planets as a matter of course experience 1,000s of comet and asteroid impacts immediately after their formation and for the next 1 Billion years or more.

The apex of evolution is a bipedal symmetrical humanoid. Its skin pigmentation will be based on whether the star is a G-, K-, or M-Class star and the types of gases in the atmosphere. That will also impact their eyes and it is possible some can see in the infrared spectrum or ultra-violet spectrum (but not likely both). They may be taller or shortage and their appendages are longer or shorter depending on the planet's gravity, but they will be humanoid contrary to what you see in the Star Wars and Star Trek Universes.

90% of their DNA is placeholder DNA, too, but it will contain the DNA of creatures that evolved on their planet, not our planet and that is another method of proving or disproving.

But, aren't there two stories of "creation" in Genesis? Yes, because there are two stories in the Sumerian version. Enki and Ningishiddza (Ninhursag was either dead or too old and decrepit to do anything) modified Neanderthals to create "the black-headed people" who were put in the E.din, wihch you know as the Garden of Eden. While the Sumerian texts do not provide a date, they do describe on-going events and events that immediately proceeded or came after, and that puts it in the ball park for the rise of archaic Humans (Homo Sapiens from which Homo Sapiens Sapiens arose).

 

Yes, actual evidence of aliens from across the galaxy would be an extremely big deal for the USA and the rest of Earth.

And, I'm sure the rest of the planet would demand to see any bits and pieces of the craft they came in, if those exist.

 

Yes, the religions and cultures of the ancients are incredibly interesting, and I hope we continue to invest in learning of these ancient peoples.

There are archeological sites where people first started living in one place, having no metals or even pottery - places including Sumer and those not associated with Sumer.

 

I gotta admit, Josh, you peaked my curious... What did you experience??

 

it was back in the early 1990s, maybe 1991 or 92. I was riding in a car with my grandfather in Maine. I saw a hawk, and was leaning forward in my seat to follow its flight path. As I looked up over the vehicle, I spotted a large equilateral triangle just hovering in the sky. I asked my grandfather what it was, and he said he had no idea, and was completely mystified. He stopped the car and we watched it for maybe 20 seconds as it just hovered. Then it zipped away, going from a standstill to an extremely high rate of speed instantaneously.
it definitely was not anything like a B-2 or F-117. Those can’t hover anyway. And VTOL aircraft have a period of slow acceleration as they transfer from from a hover to forward flight. It didn’t make any noise that I could hear.
We don’t have anything that can move like that today, let alone 30 years ago.

anyways, that is my UFO story. I have never seen or heard about anything that could explain what I saw.

 

I'm not sure it's jaw-dropping, it only seems to call for more evidence and study:

 

The "whistleblower" or better, conspiracy theorist, "Grusch claimed that he had conversations with unnamed officials that led him to believe that the U.S. federal government maintains a secretive UFO (or UAP) recovery program and is in possession of "non-human" spacecraft along with their "dead pilots"'.

 

Well it's a common description. It sounds like the Tinley Park Lights. (84) Massive UFO Spotted in Illinois | UFO Hunters (S2, E1) | Full Episode - YouTube

That particular one was observed in different parts of the world within a few days (4:30). The attempted explanations for it just don't explain the footage. I don't think it was this particular show, but that incident was something that made me lean towards UFOs being alien.

 

He's made this claim of the military being in possession of a body at various times. I think he's even said that they have had it for quite some time.

One obvious next step is for them to cough up the body.

 

They never will until careers are threatened. Congress should just start passing laws destroying careers in the defense department until cooperation is given. They are hiding everything behind the stupid excuse of "national security". If this stuff is true, it is a human story, not a national one, and everyone needs to know, national security be damned.