IG Report: No Political Bias

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  1. kriman

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    You had bias in the lead investigator. That is entirely different from having bias in an FBI agent doing the investigation. The lead investigator has the ability to direct the investigation is just about any direction he wants. There is no way this report clears anything.
     
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    I haven't found any mice in my cupboard, but I am pretty sure they are there.
     
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    Unfortunately, this report pretty much retires the Mueller investigation. There's just no evidence of anything, except an incredible amount of incompetence in the FBI. Hard to base a prosecution on "I'm too stupid to know that Huma was actually Weiner's wife".

    That incompetence, plus the obvious bias within the FBI against Trump throws Mueller's investigation onto the embers of yet more unfulfilled democratic dreams.
     
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    That's exactly the opposite of what the IG Report found.

    Who are you claiming was biased?
     
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    I'm assuming that's because you have evidence of this.The IG found no evidence of bias affecting the investigation.
     
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    They found no bias that influenced the investigation.

    None
     
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    They found evidence of bias. Not finding evidence of bias affecting the investigation does not mean it did not occur. Given the amount of bias in the lead investigator, it is hard to imagine how it did not affect the investigation.
     
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    I loved the part today where the director in reference to agents taking free lunch's, drinks and most likely blow jobs from news media that they were now going to be scheduled to attend seminars to explain what constitutes bribe and or gift :)

    What a bunch of MORONS these people are :)
     
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    Strozak.
     
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    They found investigators who expressed "biased" opinions...and they found that there was no evidence that those biased opinion affected the investigations.

    You can talk yourself into a spiral but nothing changes what they found.

    An not finding evidence means just what it says.

    Are you claiming you have better information that the IG?
     
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    I don't like picking nits but the IG report said there was political bias but that in his view he did not see any tangible effect.
     
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    Not finding means exactly what it says. They did not find evidence. That does not mean bias did not exist in the investigation.

    Just as a side note, I would suspect that since Strzok was a counterespionage agent, he would be pretty good at covering his tracks.
     
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    Strzok has agreed to testify before congress and says he will not take the fifth. It should be interesting because I am guessing that they will call up a few other FBI agents who worked for him during the e-mail investigation.

    One very damning piece of information was the failure of the FBI to initially provide the Strzok Page e-mails. That would indicate that there are other corrupt FBI personnel.

    I suspect this will get very nasty before it is over.
     
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    In the prosecutors decisions. Plenty of bias in the upper echelon.

    What I find interesting in that wording is the FBI doesn’t prosecute, the DOJ does but Comey usurped the DOJ authority probably with Lynch’s blessing after the tarmac meeting.
     
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    That is a false assumption. Because of the turmoil Comey and five agents caused, Wray instituted new policies to ensure it doesn't happen again. Retraining in a work force and in the military occurs whenever a major upheaval occurs. Comey and a lovesick agent caused a major upheaval that resulted in a multi-month, 500-page I.G. report along with follow-up reports.

    You can bet your sweet ass Wray is going to institute new policies. He inherited all this, and he is working hard to maintain the efficacy and professionalism of the FBI. He is doing an excellent job.

    But you won't hear that from Trump supporters. Unfortunately, members of Trump's cult don't like the FBI because their hero doesn't. That is pretty sad.
     
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    nahhhhh not at all, the FBI as a whole didnt show bias, just the top 5 people in charge of the investigations. Its comey...clear bias but dont recommend indicting part 2. I encourage the left to keep covering this stuff up. Its like free campaigning for us. Tell us how Hillary didnt do anything wrong again. That was hee hilarious on election night.
     
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    There is something seriously wrong when the President of the United State, Republican lawmakers, and a major cable network is attacking the FBI, a proud, competent, and effective law enforcement agency that other nations could only dream about when it comes professionalism and efficacy. The President should be an admirer of this organization. Instead, he is the lead antagonist.

    Trump's antagonism, along with that of Republican Senators and representatives and Fox News is based entirely on an arrogant FBI director and five agents facing administration review and likely termination. The former is one James Comey whose actions the I.G. described as "extraordinary and insubordinate." Comey was fired over a year ago by Trump because of the Russian investigation he was conducting. One of the five agents is Peter Strzok who was removed by Mueller from his post a year ago. There are 35,000 agents in the FBI.

    Trump, Republicans, and Fox are still talking about Comey and the lovesick agent, Strzok. They are attacking the FBI based largely on the actions of these agents. The obsession borders on paranoia.

    Recently, Trump held an impromptu question-and-answer session after appearing on Fox & Friends, the reverently pro-Trump morning show which conducted its broadcast from the North Lawn of the White House. Trump said the report had shown the FBI was biased against him “at the top level” and was “plotting against my election." He added: “I’m actually proud because I beat the Clinton dynasty, I beat the Bush dynasty. Now, I guess, hopefully I’m in the process of beating very dishonest intelligence (meaning FBI). I have the real FBI. Not the scum on top, not Comey and that group of people.”

    Trump seems to have forgotten that he fired Comey over a year ago. The "scum on top" would include Republican Chris Wray who Trump appointed as his FBI director. Wray assumed the duties of director nine months ago.

    Trump's son and his lawyer were on Fox News, setting up the Trump's narrative. Donald Trump Jr. said the FBI’s “credibility is shot,” and Rudy Giuliani said the IG report could “blow up” Robert Mueller’s investigation by tarnishing FBI officials and key witnesses.

    Multiple Republican lawmakers argued that Strzok’s involvement in the early days of the Trump-Russia investigation, and the few weeks he spent on Mueller’s team, call the whole operation into question. Majority Whip Steve Scalise said the latest “evidence of bias” gives “credence to people who wonder if this is becoming a witch hunt.” Representative Mark Meadows declared “the Mueller investigation must be reassessed in light of today’s information.” Other Republicans joining this looney tunes debacle would include Mark Gaetz, Andy Biggs, John Ratcliffe, and, of course, Trump's loyal lapdog, Devin Nunes.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...ler-exit-over-report-that-isnt-about-him.html

    In a way what makes this worse is why these politicians want to destroy the effectiveness of the FBI. For the most part, politicians do exactly what their constituents want them to do. In this case the constituents would include approximately 60 to 65 million Americans who want the FBI destroyed along with the investigation by the special prosecutor. In a recent poll, voters were asked if the FBI was biased against the Trump administration. 31% said yes.

    Why do 31% of American voters, approximately 60 to 65 million Americans, want to destroy the preeminent law enforcement agency in our country? There are two possible answers.

    They are anarchists and they support Trump.

    They want chaos at the highest levels of our government. It is why they voted for Trump in the first place, and they support Trump today.

    There is something very wrong in our land, very wrong, indeed.
     
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    I doubt that most of the agents were investigated to the extent that the five agents were. In general, if you do a small sample and find a problem, there are most likely problems elsewhere.

    If there is no chance that any of the rest of the 35,000 agents might have problems, why retrain all of them? We do not know how many agents have a problem. There might be no more or there might be a large number. I suspect it is somewhere in between.
     
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    That's absurd. The FBI doesn't prosecute...it recommends prosecution and passes the investigation on to the DOJ.

    Comey did not recommend prosecution because there was nothing illegal to prosecute and the IG concurred as did the current Director Chris Wray.

    What Comey DID do was make a public statement "trashing" (those are the IG's words) Clinton which was against protocol...and obviously not anything Lynch would have asked for
     
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    Oh B.S.; the I.G. report made it quite plain that many upper level agents were rabidly pro-Hillary and promoting her run for the presidency while investigating her and now there is evidence of them conspiring to 'Get Trump' even BEFORE any official investigation even began. That . . . is . . . political bias.
     
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    I find it interesting that ONLY the upper level hierarchy of the FBI exhibited strong biases while conducting investigations but ALL of the agents have to undergo the training.
     
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    That or he was just as politically biased as the rest of his upper level FBI hierarchy. Why WOULDN'T he be as politically corrupt as the rest of them?
     
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    Again; B.S.; it is a strong indication that much of the upper level hierarchy of the FBI is politically (and therefore anti-ethically) corrupt. They conspired to let Hillary walk while they conspired to 'get Trump' and all for political reasons. They used the terrible power of their justice positions to commit crimes. Investigate them all until one is absolutely certain that ALL of the scum have been identified and then punished to the full extent of the law. Anything less indicates contempt for this nation and for its laws and legal systems, period.
     
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    Bias WAS found. The I.G. admitted it today before Congress. There are going to be long and intense investigations that are going to make leftists VERY uncomfortable for a variety of reasons. Grow accustomed to that.
     

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