illegal to be muscular in Sweden, Belgium

The problem is what that 'reasonable suspicion' is based on. It's mainly based on their physical appearance, and very little else. The rest of the "evidence" is very flimsy. They could gather that type of "evidence" on virtually anyone else if they wanted to.

Forcing someone to submit to a test is already a violation of privacy. But, in addition that, forcing someone to submit to a test could also result in a chain of other rights violations down the line, because those tests are not always going to be accurate.
So before a test is forced on someone, or a search is conducted, there should have to be adequate reason for that test or search in the first place.
We have to remember that it is possible for an innocent person who did not break the law to go to prison because of a test or search.

 

It seems like you're not understanding what I'm saying.

Let me try to ask it to you this way: Would you be okay with every single person throughout the entire population being drug tested once a year at some random interval, and if that test yields a positive result they go to jail?

Knowing that, statistically, if they test a group of 1000 people who are all not using drugs, one of those tests are still going to yield a positive result?


See, you are making the erroneous (but sadly common) assumption that only people who actually break the law will go to prison.

But when you have systems trying to enforce the law like this, that is not always going to be the case.
How the law is enforced is at least as important as what the law actually says is illegal.

 

Maybe the title of this thread should have been:
"Muscular looking individuals forced to submit to tests that could result in some innocent people being punished"

That might have better explained the main issue in this thread, to some of you.

 

We have to be careful applying American standards to a nation without our same bill of rights with its fourth, fifth and 14th amendment protections.

 

Fine, well then the two issues still stand of singling out and discrimination against muscular appearing men; and then punishing people for test results that have a chance of being wrong (even if it's only a small chance that they are wrong).

There are multiple issues here. And what makes this all the more worse (and more complicated to understand) is how these issues combine together in this situation, in multiple layers.

 

No you are now trying to pretend you did not say what you started your post with,

Now what part of that sentence have I miss understood?

 

In that specific post, I was explaining the discriminatory aspect, which you seem to concede. I explained the "toxic masculinity" part in post # 46.

 

Or maybe you should of not started the thread with this statement which is complete rubbish,

 

I am not interested in your discriminatory aspect, i am interested in your silly idea of war on toxic masculinity, which you have been backing off from since I brought it up.

 

In all fairness, I'm not sure you're in a position to really understand everything that's going on in the societies of certain European countries like Sweden and Belgium.
There are some people that live there that would agree with this perspective.

Can I ask why you are claiming it's rubbish? Is it because you deny there is any form of "war on toxic masculinity" in Western Europe? Or is it because you deny this steroid-related story has anything to do with it?

 

Since the only evidence you have presented is your steroid story that is all I can comment on, do not go to Sweden much but have spent a lot of time in Dunkirk, Bruges and Anderkirk never seen any signs of a "war on toxic masculinity"

 

Okay, well, I will concede that it is possible this "war on masculinity" may not be so much of an issue in Belgium and might not have anything to do with the Belgian law enforcement's overzealous enforcement of these laws.
I am not that familiar about what goes on in Belgium specifically.
I think Sweden may be a little bit of a different story, however.