Illinois Follows Wisconsin, union membership not mandatory

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  1. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Illinois newly elected governor Bruce Rauner passed an executive action today which prevents state employees who opt out of joining the labor unions from paying mandatory "fair share" dues.

    The legislation follows in the footsteps of Wisconsin governor Scott Walker's mandate which prevents employees from being forced to join labor unions when elected.


    http://chicago.suntimes.com/politic...n-strawn-bring-legal-action-forced-union-dues

    There is absolutely no reason to charge employees who don't wish to be a member of a union "dues" by union bosses.

    Already feeling good about my vote. I have no problem with labor unions in the private sector, but they shouldn't be allowed to charge non-members dues just to fill their pockets.
     
  2. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This was coming like it or not. Hopefully, cities, counties, states and the federal can take back our Government from the public service union leeches. The most important thing they can do is eliminate "union dues checkoff". This collects the union dues out of the members paychecks before they ever see it. Make the unions send goons around to collect the vig, nothing will destroy them faster.
     
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    I'm loving it, public unions were never needed.
     
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    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Even FDR was against public unions. He knew they would be negotiating with themselves and screwing over the public.
     
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    We should thank Obama for showing us what an executive can do with a pen and a phone.

    Hopefully these governors just start signing documentation to end all unions.
     
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    Moochers who don't want pay for the bargaining that made that job desirable should take a different job. The contradiction by these folks is mind numbing.
     
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    ROFL! It was not "bargaining". It was the Unions working with the Democratic Party for the biggest payoff they could get away with at the expense of the tax payer.

    Note: Those same unions are the biggest contributors to the same corrupt Democratic Party. The whole process is corruption.
     
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    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    So why would anyone who thinks that wAnt that job???
     
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    Well being a Republican, this is where I have to disagree. I don't think a person should be forced to join the union to hold a job, but I do think if they don't want to join the union they should at least pay the union dues. They are benefitting from the pay and benefits that other union members fought for without contributing anything. Plus a union is required to represent him if he gets in trouble, even if not a union member. I just don't think that's fair. Everyone should at least pay their fair share.
     
  10. Stuart Wolfe

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    Sadly, because I live in California I'll be dead for centuries before I'm able to leave my union. But I'm sure my corpse will vote Democrat in the meantime.

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    We have a union rep who has said the union will not represent you if you get on her bad side. So that ain't necessarily so.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They may not put up a hard fight for you, but law requires them to represent you.
     
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    ROFL! Most of them are useless non-thinking bureaucrats that are just vampires on the tax payer. Those jobs used to attract good people that wanted to be PUBLIC SERVANTS... not non-contributors that bring very little skills and virtually no work product.
     
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    Many years ago, unions had a real role in representing workers. No longer. Today, unions are nothing more than an extension of the "progressive" political machine, and are at least as corrupt as the politicians.
     
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    Hopefully, it will sweep the nation. The most important thing is the eliminate "dues check off" where the state collects the union dues for the union. If the union has to send their goons to collect the dues the union loses a lot of their appeal with the rank and file. Hopefully, the rest of the country follows Wisconsin's and Illinois's lead and hammers the public service union's influence state by state. I can't wait till the day where public service unions are slammed into the place where they belong. I for one am tired of paying for their sweetheart deals with state Government while the rest of us struggle to keep our heads above water.
     
  15. jcarlilesiu

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    Yeah, because it's impossible that somebody is hired and paid according to their skills?

    I thought if people didn't join unions, they would be paid nothing and asked to work to the bone? In this case, people opt out, and you just can't bring yourself tho the realization that public sector unions shouldn't require payment.
     
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    So you believe pay and benefits are dependent on union extortion and not people earning what's due them as determined by the labor market?
     
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    What a ignorant thought. Let me lump in all gays with one label.

     
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    Not only did she say she and the union would not represent people who crossed her, she even went out of her way to investigate possible infractions these same people might have committed, then arranged to have them reported them to the admins. She was a vile piece of work, but I fear typical of union reps.
     
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    Good move on the part of Illinois. No one should be forced to join a union just to have a job. As far as im concerned this is progress.
     
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    Yes you can avoid joining a union and still have a good job when you let the union collective bargain on your behalf and then expect someone else to pick up the tab for it
     
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    Unions suck. If they were anygood everyone would want to be in them and have no problem paying the due. Unions were important in the 20th century, but now are just outdated.
     
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    My favorite union anecdote, told to me by a close friend who has a federal job that is unionized at the non supervisory level. She was sent off site for training. There were a variety of people there from similar agencies, both union and management. At the end of the training classes, they handed out the little certificates saying 'So and so completed the _______ training, etc... Nothing exciting or out of the ordinary.

    Union files a grievance a little later for not being consulted on the format of the certificate including color and font.
     
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    So I guess everybody that has a job should pay the union?

    I doubt you even understand that on many cases unions hold the good employees back for the sake of the slackers.

    No child left behind anybody?
     
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    I am fine with getting rid of public unions entirely. There needs to be a distiction between private and public unions though when it comes to paying dues. If you work in a union shop then you should pay the union dues because you are benefiting from their influence.

    However, every two years or so the shop should vote on whether or not to recertify the union like it is now in Wisconsin. That way if the union is holding up their end of the bargain and providing a service they can stay but if they are just around to collect dues and wreak havoc on the business then the workers can vote them out. A great many shops in Wisconsin have not recertified their unions which tells you how much influence they have lost and how corrupt and inept they have become over the years.
     
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    My experience with unions is that they will only represent you if it serves their purpose. From what I have seen they are only about gaining money and power.
     

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