Impeachment is now inevitable, what about conviction and removal?

Impeachment of Trump is now a foregone conclusion. The votes are taken, thie articles will pass with ease and a few R's will be along in the house.

Now I fully expect the Rabid MAGA crowd in flyover hell around here to scream and cry and whine and whatabout, but that changes nothing, Trump will in fact be impeached, and nothing can prevent that now. The quid alone is a crime, and the fact that funds were still on hold during the phone call, is more than enough to prove the rest in criminal cases. So all protesting aside, your boy broke the law, right after getting off the hook, that's just a fact.

The thing that few are talking about though, is that at least half of the GOP in the senate LOATHES Trump. They fear him and the base he has, but they hate him. Give them a clear case, a broken law, and an excuse to vote to convict, and convince even a portion of that base that what he did was unacceptable, and I think removal becomes a real possibility.

With the polling showing that this latest fiasco is moving public opinion on impeachment, I think actual conviction is possible, unlikely but possible.

The impeachment though, already a done deal, and Trump earned it. Regardless of what MAGA country erroneously believes, this won't help in the election either. He cooked his own goose and the Trump train is derailing before our eyes.

The real entertainment will be watching the foaming at the mouth MAGA crowd deny they ever supported him after he's gone, like they did with Dubya.

 

I saw a Repub campaign strategist say a couple of days ago he was told by a Repub senator that if a vote among Repub senators on impeachment was held privately 35-40 would vote for impeachment.

 

GOP Senators are in a tight spot. If they back and protect Trump...they may face the wrath of the American people and be looking for a job very shortly.

On the other hand if they all of a sudden develop a spine..they can be rid of him...and his ability to hurt them (which is why they are protecting him in the first place).

We live in interesting times

 

I just find it hilarious that Trump Lackeys around here see this as good for Trump. This time Trump got himself and his presidency won't survive it. Try DNC would have to try and lose now.

 

Trump is washed up. A dirty handkerchief in a commercial Kenmore would have a better chance of survival. Just over the weekend, public sentiment for impeachment swelled by thirteen percent. It now stands at 50-50. That was before the secret lockup of phone records was announced. GOP operatives are running for their lawyers.

By the time that this hits the Senate, it will take a hurricane to wash the dirt off Washington The whistleblower kicked a rock that started an avalanche that will destroy the village. Smart money won't even hazard a guess how many more Trump players will be swept up in the conspiracy.

Unlike Watergate, this monstrosity started with a smoking gun. The questions this raises will consume gallons of newspaper ink. If Trump makes it to November 2020 (he won't) polling places will be covered in vomit.

 

haha not gonna happen....

 

With that level of conviction, I suggest you hold your breath until it's over. Small children do that when they think they can force what they want to actually happen.

 

If you don't like him vote him out. But you can't defeat him democratically so you resort to fascism.

 

If there are very many turncoats like Romney and the Flake the republicans are soon dead and gone as a party. If they will not fight for national sovereignty and to control the borders nobody will support them in the future.

 

There is a 0% chance of impeachment not passing the house, would you deny that?

A 13 point public jump in approval for impeachment in one week, ahead of public hearings?

Even you know GOP senators can feel the wind, and it's not blowing Trump's way. He may not be removed, but if you honestly believe impeachment helps his 2020 chances, well, there's no help for you.

 

No, he resorted to crimes and impeachable offenses. You just wish he could escape accountability.

 

Guess that's why the house went on recess after supper last night.

 

That's just to let the 13% point LEAP in public approval for impeachment to simmer.

Removal and conviction becomes ever more likely as time goes on. Your side's fear is delicious.

He will be impeached regardless, and it won't help his case.

 

By the time this crap is done his approval rating will be within the margin of error and all these TrumpTards will be telling everyone they never really supported him, that they just had to vote for him cuz of Clinton, but they were never truly behind him.

 

Trump will never be removed , its that simple
while Impeachment is likely now, I would have bet 6 months ago Trump would never be impeached but the Senate will never convict , let alone hold a trial

Now I can see the Democrats strategy of impeaching him during the election as then they believe Trump will be on the Defense and with a normal candidate this would be a problem but Trump is not your normal candidate, he is from the Roy Cohn school of hard knocks and if you thought the 2016 campaign was nasty, wait until 2020, if Biden wins or Warren wins , this will be an ugly fight

 

Tag for later gloating (you're so positive he'll be impeached? We shall see, but of he isnt, I'll make sure this thread is on page 1 for the rest of my life)

 

Wait and see- and don't forget that you were so sure, like all the dems and pundits were so sure Trump couldn't get elected that they climbed the tree and went out on a limb to make arrogant fools of themselves.
Keeps happening to them. Getting old, no longer amusing.

 

The constitutional process of impeachment is fascism? So the folks who voted to impeach Clinton were fascists?

 

This finishes Trump one way or the other, your whistling past the graveyard notwithstanding. Best find a new Candidate.

The best part is that the idiot slid once and thought he could blatantly do the same thing again, he got caught. Some stable genius huh?

 

The Swamp intended to impeach the President from day one (they did put it on haitus will running their silent coup d'état) The Swamp is corrupt through and thru.. they have to get rid of the guy so they can go back to "business as usual" can't believe the lefties here can't see that. We voted for President Trump to stop the double standards, go back to equality under the law.. how many Demos are free as birds for things that would have landed a Republican in prison? Too many to count in this space!

 

But it won't be held privately, so that's a nothingburger statement.

 

I like the idea of President Pence.

 

Impeachment is a purely political process. Because clarity does not exist as to what constitutes a "high crime and misdemeanor", a slim house majority could literally "impeach" because someone likes ketchup on their hot dog. Removal due to impeachment however is a different matter altogether. That requires a very high bar of obtaining 2/3's of the Senate. In order to garner 2/3's of the Senate, the allegation needs to be sufficiently egregious and sufficiently proven that enough of the public supports such an action that the Senate ( specifically the targets own party) has no choice but to remove. The notion that political opponents want to remove their opponent basically means nothing. What is relevant is that the people that actually put that person in office also want to remove their choice from office. That is what is required in order to reach that purposefully very high hurdle of removing a duly elected official.

The chances of Trump being removed based on what is known is effectively zero. There is a Democrat interpretation as to what occurred, and a Republican interpretation. Both of those interpretations are plausible, and neither interpretation is convincing the other side. For a political action such as removal due to impeachment, this equates to one large nothingburger. You may not realize this or think that it is false bravado, but Republicans are genuinely hoping that Democrats do formally move forward with actual impeachment proceedings where those house members that won in Trump districts are forced to cast a vote.

Politically, a Democrat led formal impeachment that does not remove is a huge victory for Republicans. Whether you specifically understand that ramification is of absolutely no consequence whatsoever.

 

Go back to november 2016. Deja vu?
How many times does the left have to make fools of themselves before they realize they are making fools of themselves?

 

Doh!

M'kay.

This was take pre impeachment, which is rapidly gaining public support. His goose is cooked, he built the fire to do it too.