Iran mocks WWII Holocaust, prepares another

I would imagine we are all regularly amazed by some people's proud declaration of their ignorance.

But then again, I suppose nobody should be surprised by the range of human belief dependent on human ignorance.

 

http://www.shutterstock.com/video/c...centration-camp-victims-and-gas-chambers.html
http://www.pbs.org/auschwitz/40-45/killing/
Look,I have seen ashtrays made from gold fillings from dead Jews that they knocked out their teeth on an assembly line.
There's no pictures of that on the internet.Some things don't make it to the internet.
You're being intellectually dishonest by denying that there was mass extermination of Jews in Germany.

 

I believe in the Holocaust but as a rule of thumb I always take the lowest estimates. It is nearly impossible to get objective facts on the subject, because at either end of this polemic there are still hate, interest, censure and totalitarism, no matter the camp.

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Holy crap, dude. The first vid is Dachau. Mainstream historians will tell you that NO JEWS WERE EVER GASSED TO DEATH THERE - THAT WAS PROPAGANDA!

The 2nd link provides a story, but no proof of anything.

And you have no idea if that ashtray was made from JEW GOLD... BE SERIOUS!

 

No, you aren't looking for "proof", since the evidence is overwhelming that the nazis had an industrialized systematic method of extermination of "undesirables" including jews and roms.

You might dismiss the NAZI evidence (documents, front line reports, photos, film, eyewitness recollections, and lots of bodies) of the Einsatzgruppen extermination squads, but then you'd be lying to yourself. A classic human condition when one uses faith instead of fact.

 

This is incredible, and a proof of how much the subject just can't be examined calmly.

Finkelstein is right: The Holocaust is an industry. There is money to be made with it - policies are based upon it. Contemporary politics still rely on it. On one side there are interested parties with paid "contributors" to discussion groups, and on the other side you've got bigots and haters. Anyone on these shame their respective sides and stiffle debates. You can't walk the narrow path between the two without being pelted by both sides at the same time.

 

Of course historians agree that there is little credible evidence of gassing at Dachau, because that is a known historical fact just like treblinka and sobibor and Auschwitz and the litany of other death camps.

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005214


As for gold teeth, I guess this photo was merely the waste from the excellent dental hygiene afforded prisoners.



http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/photos/


I think you may need a refresher on how exactly to argue your ridiculous denial of facts:

http://www.jewishgen.org/ForgottenCamps/Exhib/HowtoEngl.html

 

Being my friend's dad brought it back from a Nazi death camp,along with a couple of Mausers and Jewskin lampshades.
I kind of do.Also he had a Luger.

 

That is your belief.

No document was ever prodeuced that has been verified that speaks of an extermination program or using gas on people.

The Red Cross was allowed access and did not mention one gas chamber.

Not one of them shows Jews being gassed to death.

Not one of them shows Jews being gassed to death.

At the medieval witch trials, witnesses told stories about broom-riding witches. That said, the testimony of known liars, crazy people, and the tortured are not the best sources of information, let alone PROOF!

Yes, many people died. Disease and starvation was huge especially after the allied bombing attacks.

 

There were three important pieces written after the war that must be considered in this discussion.

General Eisenhower's, Crusade in Europe, published in 1948

Winston Churchill's, The Second World War, which was 1000s of pages and had to be published in 6 volumes from 1948-1954, and

General de Gaulle's, Mémoires de guerre, published in 3 volumes from 1954-1959.

In all of that you will find not one mention of Nazi gas chambers.

 

Finkelstein described a virulent subset of unscrupulous people attempting to exploit a horrific historical event to their economic and political advantage. That doesn't in any way diminish the horrific criminal inhumanity of industrialized mass murder by the Nazis. On the other hand there is always money to be made in the litany of disastrous events (man made or natural) in human history and we all know that politicians and governments exploit such events for what they perceive to be their own advantage. Just another of the less palatable aspects of human nature.

Yet, those that deny the overall facts that the Nazis carried out an extermination plan for undesirables that included Jews, Roms, Homosexuals, mentally handicapped, etc, base their beliefs on emotion and not on facts. Revisionists have brought to light some glaring if minor examples of exaggeration, rumour and apocryphal belief as fact, such as human skin lampshades, which is good. Unfortunately the vast majority of their nonsense is exactly that - a complete denial of the facts and in many instances utter fabrication.

 

Finally a reasonnable post.

I went beyond Finkelstein's opus: I presented the Holocaust as an industry much larger than whet he describes in his book: It is also an industry for the denial crowd, and still a tool of actual politics. It's beyond financial.

I still don't see why revisionism is a crime. Revisionism made for propaganda, sure, it isn't good. Bu when revision brings in new documents, new revelations and new conclusions, it isn't only interesting, it's vital and part of the process of knowledge.

Our society's safe-sided and somehow amped outrage for all matters holocaust is comes from the fact that coercion has indeed been successful in the Occident. Everywhere else people wonder at our sensibilities for the sad history chapter, when we're pretty much more flippant about Hiroshima, for exemple.

 

Hahahahahahahahah!

Nah, the Wanasee Protocols and Operation Rienhardt were nothing more than allied propaganda.
I am sure that you haven't watched the Eichmann trials nor even read the transcript. Its on Youtube. You might learn something.

As for the Red Cross inspection, they were led by the nose to see only what the Nazi's wanted them to see. They sure as hell didn't inspect any of the Rienhardt camps, now did they?

And I agree that many witnesses and accused might say just about anything to convict or defend. Yet, when the testimony of literally thousands of perps and hundreds of thousands of witnesses is interpolated a fairly accurate picture of actual events emerges.

I also agree that 6 million jews DID NOT die in the gas chambers. that number was much closer to 2 million, with around a million or so killed by the Sonderommandos of the SS Einstazgruppen, and the balance from maltreatment, disease and starvation, etc.

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BS is being called.

There were three important pieces written after the war that must be considered in this discussion.

General Eisenhower's, Crusade in Europe, published in 1948

Winston Churchill's, The Second World War, which was 1000s of pages and had to be published in 6 volumes from 1948-1954, and

General de Gaulle's, Mémoires de guerre, published in 3 volumes from 1954-1959.

In all of that you will find not one mention of Nazi gas chambers.

 

By the way, which concentration camps were bombed? I'm also still waiting for your evidence that Eichmann was tortured. I can wait as long as you like.

 

I have already presented you the letter showing that a cremation capacity of 80,000 at Auschwitz alone was not sufficient:


http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/

So is it your assertion that 80,000 per month were dying of typhus and starvation? Sorry but that letter is dated from January of 1943, the typhus epidemic had been eliminated during a delousing program in August of 1942.

And funny that while the inmates who were selected for extermination immediately upon arrival were not registered, of those who were registered and issued death certificates very few died of typhus putting an end to the typhus myth:

In 1989, the Auschwitz Archives in Moscow were opened for the first time since the Soviets liberated the camp in January 1945. These archives contain thousands of documents which survived destruction by the camp authorities when they fled the advancing Soviet forces. Among the items discovered were the Auschwitz Death Books. These books contain the death certificates of registered prisoners only. Nonregistered prisoners who were killed upon arrival did not receive a death certificate. The death books are incomplete. They contain the certificates of 68,864 registered prisoners who died from August 1941 to December 1943.There are no books for 1944 or periods prior to August 1941.They are either missing or were destroyed. Also, there are a number of missing books for the period August 1941 to December 1943. However, each book contains between 1400 and 1500 entries. [29] By interpolating 1500 entries into each missing death book we can arrive at approximately 80,000 deaths of registered prisoners for 1942 and 1943. [30] Dr. Tadeusz Paczula, a former Auschwitz inmate, was in the camp from 1940. He also kept the death registries for registered inmates. He later testified that for the two years following the summer of 1942, about 130,000 names were entered into the death registries. [31]

Nevertheless, the nearly 69,000 death certificates available afford researchers the opportunity to see exactly what was killing registered prisoners. It is now known on the basis of these certificates that very few prisoners died from typhus. [32] They show that only 2060 of the 68,864 deaths were from typhus. While typhus can be lethal, it need not necessarily be so. Lucie Adelsberger, a Jewish prisoner and camp doctor, got typhus, was quarantined, and resumed her duties after recovery. [33] Similarly, Ella Lingens Reiner, a German doctor, who was also a prisoner, contracted typhus and survived. [34] One of the early Auschwitz memoirs, written in 1947, recounts an episode with camp doctor Josef Mengele, later to become known as the "Angel of Death" for his medical experiments. Mengele was disturbed about the typhus epidemic. The former prisoner wrote: "Alas, typhus epidemics did rage in the camp, but at this time we had comparatively few victims. The same day he [Mengele] sent us a large quantity of serum and directed mass vaccinations." [35] Petro Mirchuk, a Ukranian prisoner, wrote that a delousing in August 1942, the worst month of the epidemic, "eliminated the epidemic and the billions of fleas and lice ceased to exist." [36]

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/

Furthermore; if only 130,000 people were even granted death certificates at Auschwitz then why would they need a crematoria capacity of more than 80,000 per month? It makes no sense. The highest number of registered inmates at Auschwitz ever was in 1944 at 92,000 so are you seriously going to argue that they needed a cremation capacity of more than 80,000 per month with 6 double muffle Gusen style ovens at Aushwitz with a 26 body capacity for each muffle (26 x 2 x 6 per hour) which comes out to 312 bodies burned per hour, if people were not being registered and were in fact immediately killed upon entrance to the camp? That to put it mildly is absurd.

You have been shown the testimony of Morgen, Kremer, Böck, Hofmann, Hössler, Klein, Münch, and Stark, all high ranking Nazis, none charged with any crimes, who all came forward of their own volition to testify, and to this day have not recanted their testimony to their dying day.

Yes everything I just presented is real proof.

Crematora 1 was later retrofitted to a bomb raid shelter in 1944 but the other Crematora's 2,3,4, and 5 had doors swinging outward not inward, and Crematora 4 infact was a red brick building built entirely above ground completely debunking the assertion that it was an airaid shelter.

According to the newly published Nazi Mass Murder (Kogon, et al, 1993), this gas chamber was in the cellar of a prison bunker, near the crematoria, with no windows and two doors that "could be hermetically sealed." Gas was piped in from an adjacent room called the gas cell through an enameled pipe "which had a slot in it about a meter long on the side nearest the wall (in other words, on the side invisible from the room). The remains of this gassing facility can still be seen today" (p. 177). If the doors can be hermetically sealed they can also be locked.

Kogon, et al, admit that "records concerning these facilities were either not made in a systematic way or have not been preserved." But they do explain that in the beginning at Majdanek "two gas chambers were installed in a wooden barrack, then a brick building was put into service. The two temporary chambers were later used as drying rooms." Plans from the Berlin firm, Auert, still exist for "the iron doors with their rubber packing [that] could be securely bolted." If Cole was observing the original wooden barracks, they were obviously modified later for different use, which could explain the window and lack of locks.


http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/skeptic-magazine/skeptic-12.html

No it's not because you are lying the doors opened outwards:

Why is it important to Holocaust deniers that the Auschwitz authorities be planning and building air raid shelters as early as 1942?

The underground rooms in Cremas 2 and 3 in Birkenau were adapted into undressing rooms and gas chambers in late 1942 and early 1943. Gas-tight doors, gas-tight shutters, gas detectors, and wire-mesh constructions (for introducing the Zyklon-B into the gas chambers) were all part of the re-design into a murderous use.

However, if air raid shelters were being built in Birkenau in late 1942 and early 1943 then all the damning evidence for mass murder like gas-tight doors and shutters, and gas detectors can be ascribed the innocent use of air raid shelters instead of being used for gas chambers. A partial list of these items includes the following:

On January 1, 1943, three gas-tight doors were ordered for Crema 2.12
On February 13, 1943 an order was issued for twelve "gas-tight doors of 30/40 cm." These "doors" are more like shutters in size (about 12 x 16 inches). These shutters can be seen at Auschwitz today. They are 30 x 40 centimeters in size and equipped with a butterfly nut that can be screwed tight from the outside. The plan for Crema/Gas Chamber 4 specifies shutters 30 by 40 centimeters in size.13 Crema 4 was a brick building built entirely above ground. Of what use would it be as an air-raid shelter?
On February 26, 1943, ten gas detectors were ordered by telegram from Topf & Sons.14 (Gas detectors would be needed to determine when it was safe to enter the gas chamber rooms and remove the bodies.)
On March 31, 1943, one gas-tight door was ordered for Crema 3 was ordered.15 ​

All of these items were ordered in early 1943, about 22 months before the Auschwitz authorities began to build formal air raid shelters. The small shelters scattered around Birkenau's perimeter in 1943 required none of these elements (except for the concrete covers already received.)
Deniers also cite the way the doors opened in the gas chambers as proof that they were air raid shelters.

When Cremas 2 and 3 were originally designed as crematoria/morgues the doors were designed to swing open INTO the morgue rooms. Existing blueprints show that when the morgue rooms were modified from morgues into gas chambers the doors were re-designed to swing open OUTWARD from the room. The plans for Cremas 4 (Crema 5 was identical) also clearly show that the doors to the gas chambers opening to the outside.16
If the doors had swung INTO the room, the Sonderkommando would not have been able to get the doors open to remove the bodies of those who had rushed away from the poisonous gas and piled up near the door in a frantic attempt to get out of the room. On the other hand, air raid shelters doors were designed to swung INWARD so that if rubble piled up OUTSIDE the door, the people inside would not be trapped.

Finally, although Crema 1 was perfectly sited to be used as an air raid shelter for Auschwitz I, in Birkenau the cremas/gas chambers were simply too far away to be useful in an air raid. In the event of an air raid the SS men would potentially have had to run a mile or more to get to cover, completely abandoning their posts in the process.17 That is why the Nazis converted 176 concrete units, originally designed to build two large and one small shelter in Birkenau, into individual units scattered all around the perimeter.18

http://www.hdot.org/en/learning/myth-fact/airraid.html

Sounds like you need a trip to a psychiatrist.

The same reason we don't use nerve gas to execute people in gas chambers today and instead use Hydrocyanic acid (HCN) for which Zyklon-B is a carrier, using nerve gas would be to dangerous for the people administering the poison to handle.

A) The extermination gas chambers were demolished by the Germans and their walls were exposed to the elements for the last 50 years; whereas, the delousing chambers were kept intact.

B) HCN is much more effective for killing warm blooded animals than it is at killing insects: "in delousing, concentrations of up to 16,000 ppm (parts per million) are sometimes used, and exposure time can be up to 72 hours; while 300 ppm will kill people in fifteen minutes or so,"

C) HCN was available in large quantities, it could be ordered from normal chemical companies, and was easily transported and stored in sealed tins.

http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/auschwitz/auschwitz-faq-06.html

Care to explain then why an 80,000 per month cremation capacity at Auschwitz was insufficient? Care to explain the testimonies of Morgen, Kremer, Böck, Hofmann, Hössler, Klein, Münch, and Stark, all high ranking Nazi officials testifying to the gas chamber exterminations who were never charged with any crime and who have not recanted their testimony to this very day?

 

Good point. I have heard criticism that they were not!

 

So? What exactly does that prove? Right NOTHING.

OTOH, Perhaps you can explain these little gems in two recorded speeches by Himmler at Posen?

"...we had the duty to our people to do it, to kill this people who wanted to kill us."

and

"We came to the question: How is it with the women and children? I decided to find a clear solution here as well. I did not consider myself justified to exterminate the men – in other words, to kill them or have them killed – and allow the avengers of our sons and grandsons in the form of their children to grow up. The difficult decision had to be taken to make this people disappear from the earth".

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/himmler-heinrich/posen/oct-04-43/

 

Slip-ups occurred in written correspondence regarding the gas chambers themselves, some of which, fortunately, escaped destruction and were found after the war. A memo written to SS man Karl Bischoff on November 27, 1942 describes the gas chamber in Krema II not with the usual mundane name of "Leichenkeller," but rather as the "Sonderkeller" "special cellar."

And two months later, on January 29, 1943, Bischoff wrote a memo to Kammler, referring to that same chamber as the "Vergasungskeller." (See Gutman, Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp, 1994, pp. 223, 227.) "Vergasungskeller" means exactly what it sounds like: "gassing cellar," an underground gas chamber.

Holocaust-deniers turn to Arthur Butz, who provides a specious explanation for the Vergasungskeller: "Vergasung," he says, cannot refer to killing people with gas, but only to the process of converting a solid or liquid into gas. Therefore, he says the "Vergasungskeller," must have been a special room where the fuel for the Auschwitz ovens was converted into gas -- a "gasification cellar."

There are three problems with this explanation. First, "Vergasung" certainly can refer to killing people with gas; Butz does not speak German and he should not try to lecture about the language. Second, there is no room that could possibly serve this function which Butz describes -- years after writing his book, he admitted this, and helplessly suggested that there might be another building somewhere in the camp that might house a gasification cellar. Third, the type of oven used at Auschwitz did not require any gasification process! The ovens burned solid fuel. (See Gutman, op. cit., pp. 184-193.)

So what does the term "gassing cellar" refer to? Holocaust-deniers have yet to offer any believable explanation.

An inventory, again captured after the war, revealed fourteen showerheads and one gas-tight door listed for the gas chamber in Krema III. Holocaust-deniers claim that room was a morgue; they do not offer to explain what use a morgue has for showerheads and a gas-tight door. (See a photograph of the document, or Pressac, Auschwitz: Technique and Operation, 1989, pp. 231, 438.)

A memo from the Auschwitz construction office, dated March 31, 1943, says (Hilberg, Documents of Destruction, 1971, pp. 207-20:

We take this occasion to refer to another order of March 6, 1943, for the delivery of a gas door 100/192 for Leichenkeller 1 of Krema III, Bw 30a, which is to be built in the manner and according to the same measure as the cellar door of the opposite Krema II, with peep hole of double 8 millimeter glass encased in rubber. This order is to be viewed as especially urgent....

Why would morgues have urgently needed peepholes made out of a double layer of third-of-an-inch-thick glass?

The question of whether it can be proved that the cyanide gas was used in the Auschwitz gas chambers has intruiged the deniers. Their much-heralded Leuchter Report, for example, expends a great deal of effort on the question of whether traces of cyanide residue remain there today. But we do not need to look for chemical traces to confirm cyanide use (Gutman, op. cit., p. 229):

Letters and telegrams exchanged on February 11 and 12 [1943] between the Zentralbauleitung and Topf mention a wooden blower for Leichenkeller 1. This reference confirms the use of the morgue as a gas chamber: Bischoff and Prüfer thought that the extraction of air mixed with concentrated prussic acid [cyanide] (20 g per cu m) required a noncorroding ventilator.

Bischoff and Prüfer turned out to be wrong, and a metal fan ended up working acceptably well. But the fact that they thought it necessary demonstrates that cyanide was to be routinely used in the rooms which deniers call morgues. (Cyanide is useless for disinfecting morgues, as it does not kill bacteria.)

Other captured documents, even if they don't refer directly to some part of the extermination process, refer to it by implication. A captured memo to SS-Brigadeführer Kammler reveals that the expected incineration capacity of the Auschwitz ovens was a combined total of 4,756 corpses per day (see a photograph of the document or Kogon, op. cit., p. 157).

Deniers often claim that this total could not be achieved in practice (see question 45). That's not the point. These crematoria were carefully designed, in 1942, to have sufficient capacity to dispose of 140,000 corpses per month -- in a camp that housed only 125,000. We can conclude that massive deaths were predicted, indeed planned-for, as early as mid-1942. A camp designed to incinerate its full capacity of inmates every four weeks is not merely a detention center.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar01.html

51. What did the International Red Cross have to report with regard to the "Holocaust" question?

The IHR says:

A report on the visit of an IRC delegate to Auschwitz in September, 1944 pointed out that internees were permitted to receive packages and that rumors of gas chambers could not be verified.

Nizkor replies:

Rumors of gas chambers could not be verified because the delegates were expressly forbidden from visiting the Auschwitz Krema, where the gas chambers and cremation facilities were. They were taken only to those parts of the huge complex which housed prisoners who were not to be exterminated. Some Allied POWs were held in Auschwitz, in reasonable conditions, but they knew about the gassings and mentioned them to the IRC delegate.

For example, former SS-Untersturmfuehrer Dr. Hans Münch confirmed this in his testimony at the International Nuremberg Trial (Trial of the Major War Criminals, 1948, Vol. VIII, p. 313-321). He said:

I repeatedly witnessed guided tours of civilians and also of commissions of the Red Cross and other parties within the camp, and I was able to ascertain that the camp leadership arranged it masterfully to conduct these guided tours in such a way that the people being guided around did not see anything about inhuman treatment. The main camp was shown only and in this main camp there were so-called show blocks, particularly block 13, that were especially prepared for such guided tours and that were equipped like a normal soldier's barracks with beds that had sheets on them, and well-functioning washrooms.

Ironically, this policy of not showing extermination-related facilities is also confirmed by the IHR itself, though unwittingly. In the "Lüftl Report," supposed expert Walter Lüftl mentions a memo to the commandants of the concentration camps. According to Lüftl, it reads:

The bordello and the crematories are not to be shown during camp visits. These installations are not to be mentioned to persons visiting the camp...

Lüftl goes on to comment:

Apparently, then, everything else could be shown and mentioned to visitors. Logically, then, a gas chamber, if one existed, could be shown and talked about; otherwise, it would have been included in the prohibition.

Since we cannot assume that the SS ever showed a [homicidal] gas chamber to the inspectors of the International Red Cross, it is permissible to conclude that none existed.

Lüftl, who is supposedly an expert, is not even aware that the term "crematories" refers to the cremation complexes, which also housed not only the ovens but also the gas chambers.

Unwittingly, he has presented evidence against his own case -- for why would it be necessary to hide the cremation complexes from the Red Cross unless something were happening there that the Red Cross should not see?

The "Lüftl Report," is available on-line in a textfile on Nizkor, or as a web page at the IHR's web site. Search on the text "Red Cross".

http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar51.html

 

Uhhuh, read the minutes yourself. The minutes contained nothing about gas chambers, and now we are talking about gassing people to death with diesel exhaust? Stop going to propaganda debunking sites for your information.

Nizkor is a joke. Go read the top item on their home page!

Nizkor is a joke. Go read the top item on their home page! And stop copy and pasting walls of text and just post the obvious proof for all to see.

 

It proves that in 1000s of pages written by reputable sources at the time, that there was not one mention of gas chambers.

 

you claim to be a Jew.

that means many of your relatives, were murdered by the Nazis.

and you say it never happened.

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800,000 Jews were shipped to Treblinka, based on detailed records.

after it was liberated, maybe 5,000 remained.

there are no records of them being shipped OUT of Treblinka.

Wo sind die Juden?

 

The Wannsee Transcripts outline the Final Solution to the Jewish question:

I. The following persons took part in the discussion about the
final solution of the Jewish question which took place in Berlin,
am Grossen Wannsee No. 56/58 on 20 January 1942.

II. At the beginning of the discussion Chief of the Security
Police and of the SD, SS-Obergruppenfuehrer Heydrich, reported
that the Reich Marshal had appointed him delegate for the
preparations for the final solution of the Jewish question in
Europe and pointed out that this discussion had been called for
the purpose of clarifying fundamental questions. The wish of the
Reich Marshal to have a draft sent to him concerning
organizational, factual and material interests in relation to the
final solution of the Jewish question in Europe makes necessary
an initial common action of all central offices immediately
concerned with these questions in order to bring their general
activities into line.

The Reichsfuehrer-SS and the Chief of the German Police
(Chief of the Security Police and the SD) was entrusted with the
official central handling of the final solution of the Jewish
question without regard to geographic borders.


These actions are, however, only to be considered
provisional, but practical experience is already being collected
which is of the greatest importance in relation to the future
final solution of the Jewish question.

Approximately 11 million Jews will be involved in the final
solution of the European Jewish question, distributed as follows
among the individual countries:


http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holocaust/wansee-transcript.html

You have been shown Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler's Poznan Speech of October 4, 1943 proving that Final Solution was a euphemism for extermination and not deportation:

I am now referring to the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. It's one of those things that is easily said: 'The Jewish people are being exterminated', says every party member, 'this is very obvious, it's in our program, elimination of the Jews, extermination, we're doing it, hah, a small matter.' [...] But of all those who talk this way, none had observed it, none had endured it. Most of you here know what it means when 100 corpses lie next to each other, when 500 lie there or when 1,000 are lined up. To have endured this and at the same time to have remained a decent person - with exceptions due to human weaknesses - had made us tough. This is a page of glory never mentioned and never to be mentioned. [...] We have the moral right, we had the duty to our people to do it, to kill this people who wanted to kill us.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/

And another on October 6, 1943:

I ask of you that that which I say to you in this circle be really only heard and not ever discussed. We were faced with the question: what about the women and children? &#8211; I decided to find a clear solution to this problem too. I did not consider myself justified to exterminate the men - in other words, to kill them or have them killed and allow the avengers of our sons and grandsons in the form of their children to grow up. The difficult decision had to be made to have this people disappear from the earth. For the organisation which had to execute this task, it was the most difficult which we had ever had. [...] I felt obliged to you, as the most superior dignitary, as the most superior dignitary of the party, this political order, this political instrument of the Führer, to also speak about this question quite openly and to say how it has been. The Jewish question in the countries that we occupy will be solved by the end of this year. Only remainders of odd Jews that managed to find hiding places will be left over.

You have been shown the testimony of SS Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann the man who took the minutes of the conference who confirmed them as authentic during his trial under questioning from his defense attorney's Robert Servatius and Dieter Wechtenbruch:in the German.

http://www.ghwk.de/ghwk/engl/texts/eichmanns-testimony.pdf

[video=youtube;kPFcMy1oLIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPFcMy1oLIA[/video]

[video=youtube;m3TqRrAK4e0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3TqRrAK4e0[/video]

The combination of all of these facts proves that the Wannsee transcripts did indeed outline the extermination of Jews in the gas chambers.

You're the joke.

I'm not just posting walls of text I am debunking every single solitary one of your neo-Nazi lies point by point and posting facts, evidence, and citations to back it up. I know these don't matter very much in the neo-Nazi conspiracy theory community you belong to but in the reality based community that I and most of us in this thread belong to they matter quite a bit. Now either refute my unequivocal facts and evidence or (*)(*)(*)(*) off back to stormfront because from now on every post that does not address the fifty or so points which I have raised will be met with my boiler plate response that I give to all neo-Nazi holocaust deniers like you, over and over in perpetuity.

 

Eichmann gave an interview BEFORE he was captured by the Israelis, admitting to the millions of Jews murdered by the Nazi regime.

 

They were personal memoirs not books on the holocaust.

The visual evidence and the verbal testimony of starvation, cruelty and bestiality were so overpowering as to leave me a bit sick. In one room, where they [there] were piled up twenty or thirty naked men, killed by starvation, George Patton would not even enter. He said that he would get sick if he did so. I made the visit [to Gotha] deliberately, in order to be in a position to give first-hand evidence of these things if ever, in the future, there develops a tendency to charge these allegations merely to &#8220;propaganda.&#8221; -- General Dwight D. Eisenhower

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They were personal memoirs not books on the holocaust.

The visual evidence and the verbal testimony of starvation, cruelty and bestiality were so overpowering as to leave me a bit sick. In one room, where they [there] were piled up twenty or thirty naked men, killed by starvation, George Patton would not even enter. He said that he would get sick if he did so. I made the visit [to Gotha] deliberately, in order to be in a position to give first-hand evidence of these things if ever, in the future, there develops a tendency to charge these allegations merely to “propaganda.” -- General Dwight D. Eisenhower