Iran mocks WWII Holocaust, prepares another

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, so much for your argument that you can tell who votes for your apartheid regime or against. Meanwhile that regime is loosing the support around the world in an incredible fast pace.
     
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    SamSkwamch Banned

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    You posted it twice! AND WE AGREE 100%. NO MENTION OF GAS CHAMBERS!

    And don't forget that I already posted:

    Does it matter if it was 12,000,000, 6,000,000, 3,000,000, 1,000,000, or a couple hundred thousand? It was terrible and Jews being singled out solely because of their religion is disgusting.
     
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    Which doesn't prove anything other than in those particular books the subject was not raised. PERIOD.

    Or did that little fact escape your understanding?
     
  4. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so you're saying its possible that only 250,000 Jews were killed by the Nazis??
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well if you think Nizkor is a joke, then I can only imagine what you think of CODOH and IHR and Stormfront. I guess the IHR clustermuck had no impact on the credibility of the nonsense they published - a couple of lying backstabbers trying to stab each other in the back but both dedicated to the "truth". that isn't a joke that is an entire comedy routine.



    The Wanasee Protocols are pretty damn clear as to what the intention of the program was. It was the transportation of jews et.al. to Projekt Reinhardt Camps. There are of course a number of denialist morons who claim it was merely to transport them to the east to let them run wild. Amazing how a million plus people could have disappeared into thin air.

    I do agree that the Protocols do not mention gas chambers. It was understood by all in attendance where the Jews were being transported to.

    Now, there is compelling documentation including actual Nazi film as well as corroborated testimonies (both from the nazi perps and the surviving victims) of the initial experiments in using diesel engines for mass killing in both Chelmo and Soldau and how that particular method was implemented in Treblinka III.

    When one examines idiotic nonsense about no gas chambers that such denialist luminaries such as Weber, Rudolph, Cole, Faurisson, Mattogno, Irving, Butts, Leutcher, Graff, Ball, Krege, et.al. it becomes readily apparent that these clowns are full of crap. Their science is bogus and their "evidence" simple "isn't".

    Take Ball, who infamously analysed aerial photos of Baba Yar to claim there was no mass graves there, except he was looking in the wrong place!!!!!
    Take Leuchter (Dr. Death), whose pathetically incompetent investigation at Auschwitz was even caught on video as he actually stole his "samples". Clearly he was completely out of his depth and had no clue about Chemistry whatsoever. Just the person to provide "evidence" of gassing. Zundel paid him 10k and he got to take his new wife on a free honeymoon.
    As for cole - he clearly and patently made crap up, particularly about his claims about doors to gas chambers which any cursory comparison of his self constructed evidence to the actual physical evidence demonstrated his lying nature. then of course there was his recanting of his early bullcrap videos, his fading away into obscurity and his somewhat less than triumphant return to the ranks of the might intellectual midgets of denialism.

    I can just imagine all them denialists "stuck in the middle with themselves". Clowns and Jokers everywhere.
     
  6. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is the first time that I have seen a defender of the Holocaust admit that 6 million were not systematically exterminated by the Germans. That is certainly a step in the right direction. All of the evidence I saw in the early 60s when I first learned of these atrocities were newsreels of dead people who were obviously emaciated by starvation and disease being bulldozed into mass graves by allied forces. I was led to believe that these people were intentionally killed by the Germans. After further research, it has been found that the camps being depicted in those reels were not involved in this intentional systemic murder of Jews. I was not there, but there are differing accounts of what exactly took place in Poland and other countries. What bothers me is this ridiculous policy of criminalization and persecution of those who reject the official version regarding that period. Also, although up to 50 million people were killed during the lead up to and WW II itself, in the last 40 years the movie industry and the media in general has made it seem that WW II was all about the poor Jews and their suffering. The German and Russian non Jewish populations took most of the casualties, and yet it seems that every six months there is another major motion picture about the poor Jews and their plight. Enough already! The time between 1925 and into the mid 50s was a time of mass exterminations of several populations in Russia, Eastern Europe and Asia. Before we have to suffer through another Holocaust epic, can we please get a couple of thousand films made about the 100s of million non Jews killed needlessly during that period? What the Nazis did to the Jews was despicable, gas chambers or not, but other people count too.
     
  7. SamSkwamch

    SamSkwamch Banned

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    \If you want to compare those cites with stormfront, then you are intellectually dishonest or lack basic reading comprehension skills as well as the ability to apply logic.

    Agreed.

    How many people have died trying to gas themselves in the garage with a diesel verses a gas engine?

    Post your proof.

    I never mentioned Ball and was clear about the mass graves. Do you even read what you reply to or just post whatever feels right from your favorite "debunking" cite?

    I never mentioned him either, but your favorite cite left out the part about him being one the foremost experts in the world at that time on gas chambers, as he designed them for prisons in America. Let alone, the Auschwitz people attempted to debunk him and ended up verifying his findings for themselves!

    That is BS. I posted his video and anyone can watch it.

    There was a hit put out on him by Irv Rubin of the Jewish defense league. This is fact. He was already beaten for his documentary and teaching. Yes, he went into hiding. What is wrong with you?
     
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    You dont care who rules Israel and I got no moral obligation to listen to those want my country destroyed.

    Likud is the worst scenario to Israel and even at this point we are doing "ok", we dismissed the importance of global public support back in the 90's Hamas suicide attacks, this is not Europe, we have very diffrent priorities here.
     
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    Leuchter is an unqualified charlatan and his 'forensic' examination of a gas chamber was ridiculed as totally incompetent. Nobody verified his findings.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuchter_report
     
  10. truth and justice

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    He was not saying that. But is it a worse crime if 6,000,000 instead of 250,000 Jews were murdered?

    When I was growing up, the figure was 3M. Do the records that the Nazis wrote state the religion of each person? I presume that similar records are kept that detail those non-Jews killed during the Holocaust?
     
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    yes. it is.
     
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    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    Why is it?
    If one or all of my family members were murderd in the 250,000 murdered, I would not feel worse if the numbers murdered was 6,000,000
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if only 250,000 Jews were murdered by the Nazis, how did the other 4.5 million or so die?
     
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    And what has this got to do with my posts???????

    Perhaps you can answer the actual question I asked instead of your unrelated reply?
    Post 210 But is it a worse crime if 6,000,000 instead of 250,000 Jews were murdered?

    Your answer post 211 "Yes, it is"

    My reply post 212 "Why is it?"
     
  15. SamSkwamch

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    I'm just guessing that based on his lifelong belief, that if Israel, for example, has killed more Muslims and Christians than Germany killed Jews in WWII, or if NATO has killed more Muslims than Germany killed Jews, that that would just be too much for him to take. I am not saying this is the case and as I said, this is just a guess.
     
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    I think most Iranians would PREFER that Israel did not exist, just as most Israelis would PREFER that Iran did not exist. And I believe there are a few loudmouths on both sides who like to rouse the rabble and actually call for the destruction of the other side. Is it ever going to happen? Are they ever going to nuke each other? Are millions going to die? Only if the few (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s prevail.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yes, genocide of 5.5 million people is worse than just 250,000
     
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    Perhaps you can tell that to the family of the first (just) 250,00 murdered that their deaths are not as serious if no more had been murdered.
    It is quite telling that you cannot or wont answer the question to post 212.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if only 250,000 Jews died during WW2, where did the rest go?
     
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    America? Israel? Elsewhere?
     
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    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    Where did I say that only 250,000 Jews were killed?
     
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    oh, so you think the Holocaust is a fraud?

    the 5.5 million missing European Jews simply slipped into the USA and Israel?

    so how come if you add up all the Jews in Europe, Israel, USA, you don't get 18 million Jews?
     
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    SamSkwamch Banned

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    No! I am a Jew and I am sure many of my relatives were murdered in WWII. You always act like Jews cannot be honest or would ever question history. That is surely not the case:

    Ten Questions To The Zionists
    By Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L
    Dean of Nitra Yeshiva
    http://www.nkusa.org/Historical_Documents/tenquestions.cfm
    7-5-2

    1. IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that:

    a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and

    b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and

    c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.

    2. IS IT TRUE that the Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear undestanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.

    3. IS IT TRUE that the answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments:

    a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees.

    b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war.

    c) No ransom will be paid

    4. IS IT TRUE that this response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.

    5. IS IT TRUE that in 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved.

    6. IS IT TRUE that the same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).

    7. IS IT TRUE that during the height of the killings in the war, 270 Members of the British Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany.

    8. IS IT TRUE that this offer was rejected by the Zionist leaders with the observation "Only to Palestine!"

    9. IS IT TRUE that the British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed.

    10. IS IT TRUE that during the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weitzman, the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important".

    Weitzman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe".

    There are additional similar questions to be asked of these atheist degenerates known as "Jewish statesmen", but for the time being let them respond to the ten questions. These Zionist "statesmen" with their great foresight, sought to bring an end two two-thousand years of Divinely ordained Jewish subservience and political tractability. With their offensive militancy, they fanned the fires of anti-Semitism in Europe, and succeeded in forging a bond of Jew-hatred between Nazi-Germany and the surrounding countries.


    See what I'm saying?
     
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    no Jew denies the Holocaust.
     
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    Is it fair to say the answer to those 10 questions put forth from our Rabbi is "YES... absolutley?"

    And, as shocking as this might be for you, you are wrong again, Ron.

    Paul Eisen at righteousjews.org wrote some very interesting material on this very topic...
    http://www.righteousjews.org/article27a.html
     

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