Exactly.. and there is a lot that Israel could do to diffuse the situation.. like stop building settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem and stop destroying olive groves.
Borat, Saudi Arabia hasn't been on the dole for 60 years and they aren't demanding that we start a war for them.. and they don't have nearly the lobby that the Jews have. Look at this website.. There are dozens of Israeli lobbies in the US trying to influence the US government. I had no idea there were so many. http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/introlobby.html I am so sick of Bibi Netanyahu and Israel's refusal to pursue a peace agreement with the Palestinians .. IMO that bunch of belligerent freeloaders should just go ahead and attack Iran on their own like they have threatened to do for 15 years or (*)(*)(*)(*). WND is a tabloid rag.. Remember in 1998 when they announced that Israel had the world's largest oil reserves.. WND sold stock (worthless stock) and cheated lots of little old ladies out of their savings.. Hayseed Stephens was a con many.. They never put down a single borehole and the Israeli government APPROVED the deal.
So, you still think that there is enough political room to move in the direction to avoid a Israel - Iran confrontation. In this perspective, it's essential the international involvement in the process of control of the Iranian nuclear program. From the quality of that process it will depend if Israeli right will trust it or not [it's easy to predict that at Tel Aviv there will be who will accuse international inspectors not to do their work properly. Remember how in Israel they had experiences with similar "controls" about their own advanced nuclear facilities decades ago. At Tel Aviv they know that similar controls are not that difficult to be "oriented"].
The problem with an eventual direct Israel - Iran conflict is that it would risk to make ME explode. We could even see the absurd situation in which, taking advantage from the confrontation, in Iraq the Islamic State would actually fight with Israel [!] against Iranian forces or Shiaa groups supported by Teheran. This would be quite curious to be observed. Kurds could take the occasion to rebel against Baghdad and Turkey could invade Syria as well ... So, if it's not possible to avoid it, a Israel - Iran conflict has to be as brief as possible and to get such an achievement the international community cannot limit its action to watch [at least this is my opinion].
Do you understand the irony of you quoting a notoriously antisemitic, pro-terrorist, Saudi-financed garbage website while dismissing the evidence provided by Seymour Hersh and dismissiong wnd as a 'tabloid rag'. Do you understand the irony of your bleating about the horrors of democracy allowing american citizens to organize, promote their views and influence elected officials while trying to hide the fact that the Saudi don't bother with this nonsense and simply buy American politicians, lawyers, political and lobbying organizations wholesale, as proven but Hersh, WND and dozens of other investigations? In recent years, religious extremists based in Saudi Arabia have exerted immense influence on what Americas K-12 schoolchildren learn about Islam and the Middle East. Specifically, these extremists have poured large sums of money into the coffers of organizations that produce K-12 curricula whose ideological leanings are sympathetic to Islamic fundamentalism and, conversely, critical of the United states and Israel. http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=213
Which foreign countries spent the most to influence U.S. politics? 1. UAE 14.2 million 2. Germany $12 million 3. Canada $11.2 million 4. Saudi Arabia $11.1 million 5. Mexico $6.1 million 6. Morocco $4 million 7. South Korea $3.9 million 8. Republika Srpska (Bosnian Serb Republic) $2.4 million 9. Georgia $2.3 million 10. Azerbaijan $2.3 million http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ies-spent-the-most-to-influence-u-s-politics/
Intelligent people know that if there is to be peace, then we need to sympathize with Iran, not the Israeli warmongers.
People thought that Barack Obama was the spiritual child of Jimmy Carter but now it turns out that he's really the reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain and that leftists are just as mindlessly SHRIEKING in a similarly clueless manner "Peace in our Time!" Perhaps they think that if they continue repeating an insane act of major league appeasement of an avowed enemy of the West that eventually things will turn out right. Oh well it's ONLY millions of middle-easterners whose lives these clueless but all feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeling leftists are putting at risk, and who will have to pay the ultimate price when Obama and the leftist Appeasement Faction turn out to be tragically wrong.
The ultra-conservative forces in both Iran and Israel are desperate to sabotage the international agreement. Why do the ostensibly incompatible interest groups espouse the very same agenda? After emphasizing that both, in effect, are seeking to satisfy the others' desires, if the extremists on both sides are still convinced of their righteousness, present the application of the agreement as an opportunity for both to proclaim, "I told you so!" If there is not compliance with the provisions negotiated by the US, the UK, Germany, France, Russia, and China. If Iran does not meet its obligations, it will have made far more formidable enemies than just Israel. To reject the deal is to tell Iran, "There will be no incentives to comply with a ban on covertly developing a nuclear arsenal the way Israel did," and to tell Israel, "You'll just have to act upon your unsubstantiated suspicions - with Saddam's imaginary wmd stockpiles as your paradigm for unleashing bloody mayhem in the region." Netanyah flailed his pom poms for that fiasco as well, of course. And Iran was the big winner!
The agreement which has been reached about the Iranian nuclear program we'll be endorsed and Western countries will do their part. The direction has given by the White House and as you know, the Alliance follows the Commander in Chief. So, on that side there will be no hesitations, doubts ... But I'm wondering about the geopolitical tenses in the area. Iran has been acting to defend [when not to enlarge] its sphere of influence in the region well before of thinking to a nuclear program. The problems with Israel are not of today. So, even the success of the deal about nuclear industry in Iran could not be enough to avoid a conflict [conventional, of course].
Is WND financed by Zionists? Who knew? Are you claiming that the list of Jewish Lobbies in the US is FALSE?
Whilst these "leftists" have been festering in some noggins for quite some time, the paranoia that their imps have now seized control of the United Kingdom, Germany, France, Russia, and China as well as the United States betokens a decided deterioration. (They had already secured the Vatican, of course.) Is that any way for a conservative to treat a like-minded, homophobic ayatollah?
So foreign lobbiests must disclose... Domestic ones do not.. Israel is clever. Foreign lobbying disclosures by law are much more specific than domestic ones, requiring nations to say who they contacted, when and why. For example, UAE reached out to The Washington Post’s conservative opinion blogger Jennifer Rubin in December 2013 regarding illicit finance. The law that governs these stricter reporting requirements, the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938, was created to keep tabs on Nazi propagandists during World War II. Why reporters? The United States feared Nazi Germany was paying public relations people to spin Hitler’s motives in conversations with American journalists. Sunlight, which just last week unveiled a new data tool called Foreign Influence Explorer, analyzed spending that “foreign entities or their paid representatives reported to the Department of Justice for 2013.” The data collected by Justice does not include “diplomatic contacts by members of a nation’s embassy.” snip And Israel, which already has huge U.S. political pull through domestic organizations, spent only $1,250. Meanwhile, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the well-connected pro-Israel group based in the United States, spent close to $3 million on lobbying last year.
Neither Russia nor China have distinguished themselves by subjugating their own interests to those of the United States. I am not aware of any coercive measures being applied in negotiating this agreement. One must presume that, from their differing perspectives, it also makes sense. Iran's covertly developing a nuclear arsenal as a countermeasure to Israel's covert one would not be imminent in any event, and you are correct to draw attention to the regional tensions that are separate from both the agreement and Israel. Iran's influence in Iraq was facilitated by the nation-building fiasco in the latter, and Shia vs Sunni hostilities could escalate. In the meantime, if the radicals in Israel do not get their way, I see little to be lost by Iran playing a greater role in vanquishing ISIL.
Russians interests are substantially economical. Quite easy to read: Moscow is involved in the development of the Iranian nuclear program, Russians are going to supply defensive systems as well to Iranian Army ... all this to get crude oil at good price. Nothing to say about this: also Italy has got interests in Iranian economy. The lift of the sanctions for us would be an opportunity to increase exchanges with the countries [anyway Italy is not as strict as US about economical relations with Teheran, we still find nice Persian carpets, just imported, in our shops]. China is more interesting: actually it's not so known by the general public, but Beijing has helped Iran [also in nuclear field] as or even more than Moscow. Also with Iran China is showing it's smart "discrete influence", almost totally based on soft power an exchanges of interests. Not to say that it's known that Iran is confident about China veto power at UN ...
What the United States should do and what it would probably do are two different matters completely. What it should do is uphold it's responsibilities as a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council and implement measures, such as economic sanctions, against the aggressor nation. It really comes down to which nation commits the first act of aggression by attacking the other nation. The problem for the United States is that this would probably be Israel that has demonstrated a willingness to attack other nations while Iran's position has always been that it would only attack Israel in response to an Israeli attack.
Economic interdependence is a stabilizing force. Is Iran legally developing nuclear energy in the interests of others? Yes. So is the peace that is essential for their profiting - as is the case in all such contractual agreements throughout the world. Iran is a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel refuses to sign it. Iran has agreed to IAEA inspection. Israel adamantly abjures. Extremists in Israel may prefer war, especially one in which America suffers the casualties and expense, but, objectively, they're getting a damned good deal in Iran's not demanding a balanced reciprocity.
I am claiming that Jewish americans representing their interests to elected officials is part of democracy. On the other hand the sources I've provided confirm beyond any doubt that the Saudi fundamentalist thugs (aka the Royal family) bribe and buy American politicians, lawyers, organizations wholesale. - - - Updated - - - The disclosure is the tip of the iceberg. The overwhelming chunk of the Saudi money is paid under the table.
About Israel, I've got a different impression. I've got personal relations with Israelis in a certain position [IDF, I can say, other ... you know, I'm a politician ...] and I tend to think that they are on a defensive stance, more than on an offensive one. The experience with Saddam's Iraq has left something in Israel. They attacked to stop Iraqi nuclear program, but scud missiles came anyway ... with conventional warhead, but for politicians at Tel Aviv it was the same ... [I'm a politician myself, follow me in evaluating the "political negative weight" of a missile attack against your own country after that you, politician at the government, have spent resources, and overall political reliability for electors, to attack a hostile country ...]. Israel is not going to attack if not on the base of more than certain information. To say all, I've got personal knowledge that Israel was ready to hit Iranian nuclear facilities already in summer 2008. Nothing happened ... why? They were not sure. Israel will not attack first. Period. I could add something, but that "something" is still at diplomatic level.
The Saudis certainly aren't thugs.. as their long track record proves... and they haven't carried out false flags ops against the US like the Lavon Affair or the attack on the USS Liberty. Did you look at the link with the dozens of Jewish lobby groups in the US? How do you know about "under the table" Saudi money? Do you have proof of that or it that just more Zionist BS?
If I had to pick one country to move too, I'd go for the one that doesn't think I'm Satan and chants for my death. The Obama could end up being the next Novel Chamberlin. "I got this paper, with the leader of Iran's signature, saying he isn't going to nuke anyone."
And King Caratacus was a monarchist, but he was not involved in negotiating an agreement under which Iran is supervised in its exercising it's legal right to develop nuclear energy either.
