Iran tests ballistic missile in defiance of UN resolution, US officials say

I don't see anything "nutty" about Iran.

They are a large, powerful nation.

They remember pretty darn well that we overthrew their government, and that the revolution that took it back was successful in 1979. That was followed by ~10 years of war with Iraq, wherein the US supported Iraq, including with WMDs, with the help of Rumsfeld under Reagan. And, under Bush they once again saw Rumsfeld conducting war on both sides of their country - with the US refusing to talk to them about regional security and supporting harsh trade sanctions against their nation.



Now, WE whine that they don't like us!

How's THAT for "nutty"???

 

I've seen no serious proposal on this thread - or this board, or the Republican or Democratic parties, for that matter.

So, how about taking a time out with the rolling on the ground and cite a serious action plan.

You can include or not include the UN as you see fit.

 

Oh, please. The Iranians made Obama look foolish so many times it wasn't a challenge for them anymore. It became boring for them.

 

I do.

The catch is that it creates a radical imbalance in the region, with Israel having deterrence, but other nations NOT having deterrence.

India and Pakistan were at serious war UNTIL they both achieved nuclear deterrence. Now, their actions are way more circumspect, even though the leadership in Pakistan is not significantly more rational than were previous leaders.

It could well be that Iran achieving nuclear deterrence would actually stabilize the region.


Of course, another problem there is that Israel is carrying out ethnic cleansing with its overwhelming military power - bulldozing the homes of Muslims and giving the "cleansed" land to Israeli Jews.

Then, we give Israel massive military support, including ignoring their nuclear capability, while blocking humanitarian action from other nations - such as through the UN.


THEN, we claim that we aren't at war with Muslims!!!

 

Um we had a fully functioning plan, but the OBarry and his man Kerry in true Democratic fashion screwed it all up in spite of all the warning from the generals, the Republicans, and the Intelligent Americans I mean how brainless do you have to be to have not seen this coming, only the left can be this naïve with DECADES of Iranian history of not keeping their end of a deal

Hopefully the left Will Learn to Read More

 

Yet, you (and they) have no proposal.

Haul yourself off the floor and try to say something constructive without all that whining.

And, when you do it would be good if you backed it with a cite or two.

 

Well lets see if the President can make it more interesting for them.

 

Yeah, having turned to dust was part of the equation.

 

No. We did NOT have a "fully functioning plan" before the negotiation.

The economic sanctions were approaching the end date and the nations needed to renew the sanctions were not in favor of doing so.

Also, you would like to think this was Kerry. But, the catch with that is that this was a multi-national agreement.

Kerry was representing the P5+1 nations (China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States) in negotiations with Iran. China and Russia were absolutely required and were not in agreement with the harsher directions the US wanted.

Saying Kerry screwed this up is just plain ignorant unless you want to propose a way that he could have more effectively moved China and Russia.

 

Literally anything is better than accepting: Give us money or we build missiles!

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Kerry is one of the dumbest human beings alive. If breathing wasn't an autonomic function, he would die.

 

More empty whine.

Pathetic.

This is a real issue. It deserves more than whine.

 

Where in Israel do you live? Stop trying to goad America into another senseless, optional war. Regardless of nationality, you hard-liner chickenhawks sicken me....

 

So you can't come up with anything to defend Obama giving Iran billions of dollars to "not" develop missiles.

I think what is pathetic is pretty obvious.

 

It's not Obama, it's physics.


If you don't understand the difference between combat radius and range, then you need to learn.

How many aerial tankers does Israel have? 5 to 8 (depending on the source). Assuming for a moment that Israel really does have 8 tankers, and that all 8 tankers have an operational readiness of 100%, that means Israel could refuel 48 aircraft.

Israel would need at the bare minimum, at least 14 aircraft per target. Some targets would require 20 aircraft. There are more than two dozen suspected facilities. While planning your operation, the issue of fuel is going to come up. You will have refuel aircraft in-flight and then also refuel aircraft as they come out-bound from Iran.

Israel just doesn't have the assets.

 

As opposed to the last president who aided and abetted a rogue terrorist state in their quest for a nuclear weapon? Yes...what sane person would think otherwise (assuming we all agree Iran is in the hands of theocratic nut jobs)?

How many of the people who approved of Obama's presidency even know about Iran and president Barry's duplicity?

 

You do remember the deal

You have forgotten the Iran Nuclear deal already? You do understand that there were many sanction in place "BEFORE" the deal Obarry and Kerry got hosed on, right? Maybe I should ask if you are of this planet!

Anyway maybe you have the Will to Read More

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We did that in 2009

 

Trump should go to all the signatories of a deal he didn't sign off on and ask them if they're going to handle this or should he? Now if those countries believe the left's rhetoric about Trump being an unpredictable lunatic with his fingers on the nuke launch buttons you can bet they'll do something about it.

 

They got money that belonged to them.

If we got something in addition for allowing them to have what is theirs, I'm really not sure what you have to moan about.


Besides, the issue here is one of finding a more effective direction than our deal with Iran.

I'm fully confident you can whine forever, but that just can't be the issue.

The issue has to be what we can do.

And, if you want to state what Kerry COULD have done, go ahead.

The only thing I don't want to hear is more moaning.

 

Kerry was the negotiator and the spokes person for the deal he brokered and then sold it to all nations involved BTW I took a moment and highlighted your contradiction, you also unwittingly stated there was a plan and that it only needed to be renewed

 

1.3bn.

The 400 was just a down payment to trade for hostages.

 

And, I was right!

The sanctions were approaching their expiration date, and the required nations were uninterested in renewing. That direction was NOT going to happen.

Suggesting we already had a plan is a little stupid given that the plan was about to evaporate.

 

AGAIN - sanctions were reaching expiration, and the P5+1 were not willing to continue in that direction.

Were you thinking that we would wait until the previous deal was totally dead and then try to negotiate from THAT starting point?

 

What are you talking about?

Iran secretly and illegally built several underground nuclear facilities underground which we the U.S. of course detected.

They built 10's of thousands of centrifuges and the ONLY reason for Iran to build that many centrifuges is to enrich Uranium to weapons grade.

Iran could buy all the Nuclear Fuel for reactor purposes it needed and it is not in any way cost effective for Iran to use this old and archaic method of enriching Uranium thus they are doing it to make as much weapons grade Uranium as they can.

AA

 

Who cares if Iran violated treaties involving the ideal use of nuclear weaponry, Israel built 4 new houses today!!!!!!