Iran tests ballistic missile in defiance of UN resolution, US officials say

It might be better to ask them first before you assume and start massive trade wars or geopolitical messes.

 

This is not about whether Iran would use nukes or not.

It is about a nation...Iran....that had absolutely no capability to either develop nuclear reactors or weapons signing the NPT and then begin to break the NPT.

Without signing the NPT Iran could not purchase Nuclear Tech. thus they signed it and now against the NPT are using that tech and fuel purchased to develop nukes.

No nation can be allowed to violate the NPT PERIOD!!!

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Ask who Russia?

Russia tried talking to Iran about Iranian plans for energy exports and Iran told Russia to go F themselves!! LOL!!

Russia is totally on board to limit Iranian energy exports.

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No. That's not going to happen that way. It may be exciting on a political board, but rational negotiators don't go there, and for very good reason.

 

You know this is a parallel universe online. On this forum. Chatters like yourself believe Russia is the new American best friend. And on Russian forums. I can't repeat what they say about America due to the filters.

I conclude with this. The only partnership between Russia and America is in the minds of American media and Google searches.

 

We are talking about Trump.

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Russia will take the side that helps benefit Russia every time!!!

Every time!!!!

If Sanctions are proposed you can damn well be certain Russia will be very interested!!

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Russia will take the side that helps benefit Russia every time!!!

Every time!!!!

If Sanctions are proposed you can damn well be certain Russia will be very interested!!

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Yes. I think we saw that already when Russia was uninterested in trade sanctions on Iran.

What benefits Russia might not always be blindingly obvious, but one does have to wonder how little it would take to cause Russia to dump a treaty agreement.

 

Yes. I think we saw that already when Russia was uninterested in trade sanctions on Iran.

What benefits Russia might not always be blindingly obvious, but one does have to wonder how little it would take to cause Russia to dump a treaty agreement.[/QUOTE]

There was no benefit at that time for Russia to back sanctions.

But Iran has been quickly building it's energy production capabilities and very soon Iran will undercut Russian prices and grab a substantial percentage of the European market once Russia's.

When that happens you can be certain Russia will back sanctions.

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israel has nuclear weapons, if it wants to defend itself from iran it can and will get President Trumps approval.

 

Well given the two morons orchestrating the deal at the time and both their history's of blundering foreign negotiations, lets just say I wasn't at all surprised at the entire fiasco, and surely not surprised at Iran current rocket lunch violation

As far as the sanction go, you're being bullheaded to the point of looking unintelligent, sanctions, have for decades either been softened or hardened to meet the current level of Iran's continued rebellious behavior! The point, that you seem to be avoiding is I ran was never going to hold to the agreement, because frankly they never have! The P5 whatever knew this but the U.S. being the sugar daddy basically footing the bill for the toothless U.N. had sway and OBarry and Kerry convinced them that what has never worked would somehow work this time, and as history has proven many time before Obarry and Kerry were no more successful then anyone previously!

Sooo, everyone in disagreement with the Obarry and Kerry clown show were absolutely right that we should have simply "renewed" the existing sanction! So now it's Trumps job to mob up yet another pile of crap Obarry has left

 

You understand your going to look awful silly when those sanctions are rolled out again here real soon right Unless you actually believe Iran is going to be allowed to brake the Obarry and Kerry clown contract?

 

No, we froze the funds because, you know, Iran is the #1 state sponsor of terrorism.

Once the funds were confiscated they no longer belonged to Iran.

Don't let me get in the way of you defending Obama's funding of Irans terror funding and nuke development though.

Did they fire at any of our ships or anything today?

Maybe Kerry could have sung "You've got a Friend" to them again. That was brilliant and widely applauded statesmanship.

 

What do you mean there has been evidence that they were trying to enrich or actually enriching uranium for weapons use since the Clinton era.

They've been caught planning and building the type of reactors needed for large scale enriching.

They've been caught buying, building, and transporting the hardware needed to enrich.

They've been caught with low amounts of enriched uranium that was well beyond what anybody could possibly use for power generation.

They've been sanction a dozen times for failing to comply with the dozen different toothless UN deals.

They've addressed the world saying "yes we have enriched uranium, we're making more, and ya we've got the raw materials to do so".

And here's the kicker - we're not talking about power production levels here ...we're talking about nearing weapons grade.

They want a bomb, why the hell wouldn't they?

And what was one of the first things they did when Obama lifted their sanctions and paid them our (*)(*)(*)(*)ing money?

They went out and bought the type of command system and delivery vehicles needed to deliver a nuclear payload.

Wow, didn't see that one coming.

Iran's nuclear program is surging ahead they will have a bomb and they will have it soon.

One of the great myths of this deal was that Iran would have to submit every single facility to the full degree of inspections.

They aren't and they don't even have to.

Obama and his pro-terror Muslim loving friends at the UN made sure of that.

We will have war.

I just hope a Republican is in charge when it breaks out.

 

Nice to see fiscal conservatives are at it again, hoping to go to war with a country whom poses no direct threat to US homeland for firing a missile.

 

Iran is 100% ruled by religious extremist (they call them Ayatollahs). Is that the hallmark of an advanced civilization?

 

Um, Israel has already hit sites in Iran from the air.

 

It means ending sanctions...duuh! The Obama regime readily caved in and agreed Iran should not be punished or isolated anymore ending any moral distinctions between the U.S. and China/Russia on this issue.
I find that shameful.

That was one issue in the entire larger picture
Obama painted by warming up to Iran and trying to "normalize" (in a relative way) relations with the crazed theocrats there.

No and I wonder where you would get that idea?

So you know little about the issue and what our agreement means? Part of the agreement provides for the US to "mentor" and protect Iran's nuclear program from "harm" (presumably Israel). Do your homework.

 

Just to be clear, how much did it help Iran when Obama got them to give up thousands of tons of nuclear material and hundreds of their centrifuges?

 

Iran is so far holding to it's nuclear commitments. So, stating that it didn't work has me a little concerned about your willingness to be informed and to restrict your statements to that information.

And, once again, the P5+1 were not in agreement on extending the trade sanctions. The US was in favor, but it is not something we can do alone. So, accusing Kerry of that seems especially ridiculous, considering it has been pointed out multiple times on this thread.

So, again, all you are doing is whining.

When are you going to actually say something useful???

What is it that you think Trump will do, or should do?

What do you think Obama should have done?


Let's remember that the nuclear deal is not the only UN action on Iran. For example, the UN has a resolution banning Iran from selling arms. Iran didn't bother denying their sales - they just stated to the UN that they had no intent to stop such sales. They could point out that we are the largest arms sellers, and numerous other nations, including those in the ME, also sell arms.

Whether these actions have a positive result is not the same discussion as is the nuclear deal Kerry negotiated for the 7 nation agreement on Iran's nuclear direction.

 

i seriously doubt any rwer will volunteer. ironic, rwers called clinton a war monger, yet within 10 days, trump followers are calling for war against iran.

obviously rwers short memory has forgotten what happened in iraq, and how it affected the us economy.

 

I don't think you get it at all.

It doesn't matter if WE decide to sanction Iran.

Iran has lots of trading partners. Iran isn't going to miss us.

Sanctions worked (maybe) before, because a more significant percent of world trade, banking, etc., was cut off to them.

As long as China, Russia and others aren't joining, Iran can laugh in Trump's face.

 

Froze - not confiscate.

You use these terms interchangeably, and they have very different definitions.

 

Wrong.

If a bank freezes your assets, they are effectively confiscated because you no longer have access to them.

We currently have millions in frozen Cuban assets that have been in such a state for 40+ years, even though many of the people who own that money are now dead.

Frozen simply means confiscated until the government decides to give it back, if ever.

 

I believe they were laughing at the OBarry & Kerry show, they are the two hosers that got punk'd

 

Best of luck to you, I'm giving up there are far more qualified "Special" instructors for this level of obstinance

 

That's be expected given the hostile climate the US has created. Iran's nuclear energy resources need to be protected.

They had slightly more than 19,000 centrifuges and reasonable given Iran's existing and planned nuclear reactors.

Remember that for every 1,000 MW reactor Iran builds, it saves 11 Million barrels of oil annually.

Iran doesn't want to be dependent upon others for reactor fuel in such a hostile climate.